Payback Time

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by Skipper of the Sea Que

It doesn't mention SPEED or economic windfall but Turtle Boy must believe the report supports his theory. I leave it to you to make your own informed decision.

Safe boating to all

Yes, but did you read the part about public opinion poll results in the study of select economic values of NH lakes,rivers,streams and ponds lists one of the reasons people visit freshwaters are "quality of fishing, boating, and swimming".
"Most residents report that if conditions worsened, they would decrease participating in activities..."

That being said, the loss of that 1% of GFBL boats might well be expected to be offset by income brought to the state by those who found these boats objectionable. So for Dave R, one would not have to be insane to think that a drop in boater visits could lead to an economic windfall. That is why many lake's region businesses have supported speed limits...they believe too (often from their customers who have told them) that the need for speed crowd has indeed driven away business. Commodore might well try to convince you that these perceptions are nothing but Winnfabs myths but in reality I've been hearing of similar experiences for 20 years at work from my colleagues who know I go to Winni. Some of you may remember a not too favorable review of Winni from a Boston Newspaper about 15 years ago, long before the birth of Winnfabs. Winnfabs, with it's many members/contributors, exists today because of these very real issues that have not until recently been addressed.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

So for Dave R, one would not have to be insane to think that a drop in boater visits could lead to an economic windfall. That is why many lake's region businesses have supported speed limits...they believe too (often from their customers who have told them) that the need for speed crowd has indeed driven away business. Commodore might well try to convince you that these perceptions are nothing but Winnfabs myths but in reality I've been hearing of similar experiences for 20 years at work from my colleagues who know I go to Winni. Some of you may remember a not too favorable review of Winni from a Boston Newspaper about 15 years ago, long before the birth of Winnfabs. Winnfabs, with it's many members/contributors, exists today because of these very real issues that have not until recently been addressed.

You are pointing a study that specifically states that a decrease in boater visits will decrease revenue for NH.

Then you argue that a decrease in boater visits will be an economic windfall.

I understand your opinion about why businesses support a speed limit (and have made it a point not to support those businesses since HB162 days), but the study mentions nothing about speed limits or businesses that support them.

Ironically, I'm precisely the sort of person Winnfabs is supposedly looking out for. I don't own a fast or loud boat, I obey the laws, I'm quiet, I'm courteous, and well-behaved, I spend a lot of money in the lakes region, my boat is clean and well maintained, and I have a choice of places to boat because I trailer. I still keep coming despite the unwelcome atmosphere created by speed limit proponents though, I'm just careful where my money goes.

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by Dave R

You are pointing a study that specifically states that a decrease in boater visits will decrease revenue for NH.

Then you argue that a decrease in boater visits will be an economic windfall.

What I'm arguing is, in agreement with the many businesses that support speed limits for Winni, that the loss of 1% of boats that so many find loud
and offensive could well be offset by a return of other boaters/vacationers.

A win win for Winni....

[GWC...]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

What I'm arguing is, in agreement with the many businesses that support speed limits for Winni, that the loss of 1% of boats that so many find loud
and offensive could well be offset by a return of other boaters/vacationers.

A win win for Winni....

You replace those that spend a thousand without a second thought for those that squeal like a pig when asked to depart with $10. - another example of kayak math.

Interestingly, you seem to omit the fact that business-wise, more opposed than supported the speed limit legislation.

The good news from Concord - the Dems pushed through legislation allowing 85 million in bonds without public input, so they will be able to adequately fund MP this year, no excuses. Now if they will only pass legislation to require all boaters to register their boat(s), regardless of style or size.