06/15/08 Diamond Island Fatality

[MisheMokwa]

2Blackdogs--those weather observations are yours from being on the lake that night? Was just reading the Dr's interview in which they said that it was raining lightly with some fog in the area. They then say that the rain picked up after the emt's arrived. Obviously you can have drastically different weather and lighting conditions in not very different places out on the water. I have a place on treasure island but was not up last weekend. I always am extra cautious anytime I am around Diamond at night b/c of virtually no lights on that island. Seems very odd that someone wouldn't be able to see the island if there had been any moonlight at all.

[2Blackdogs]

I was a few miles from the crash scene but was easily able to see landforms and other boats out after midnight from my porch.

Timing, as they say, is everything and my observations were 2 hours prior to the collision. Things weather wise can change from hour to hour, but the full moon should have provided ample light even through clouds.

I have fiberglass repair experience, but Kjbathe has a good description of the boat's damage, so my earlier comments regarding crack propagation and deck separation seen in the photograph are moot.

I also just returned from the crash scene.

150' more to the west, and the island would have been missed altogether.

150' more to the east, and the boat would have run onto shore, though a small cabin is located there. The residents indicated the doctor's place as being the log cabin about 250' east. The doctor's waterline is floating, so weekend gawkers need to keep their distance.

As it was, the boat's anchor struck a low-lying, dark, shingled cottage just below a window while dragging its chain. Glass is strewn well past the cottage on their left side viewed from the lake. The ledge is about 4 feet high.

If the lake had been another foot higher, the boat could have set the record for fatalities on Winnipesaukee by entering the cottage. The resident is no friend of NHRBA and never was, so be forewarned.

Only one spot of gelcoat is on the rocky bottom, but would have given the driver insufficient notice. The bottom is all rocks, falls off relatively slowly, but borders a very deep part of the Broads. I expect the scene to be a busy place this weekend.

Since I forgot, please advise the resident that their homeowner's insurance should cover the cleanup of the glass, cottage damage and other scattered fiberglass debris. I also forgot my camera.

Sadly, you absolutely can't mistake the Diamond Island crash scene. It's about six square feet of pink smear with fiberglass shards embedded in the ledge.

[hazelnut]

This is sad.... So very sad. Why is it people feel the need to go check out the scene? I just don't understand the lack of respect I've seen on several threads these past few days. Just makes me sick to my stomach. I can not imagine the pain these families are experiencing.

Please everyone leave the Doctor alone and don't go gawking for your own selfish morbid curiosity. What is wrong with people?

[2Blackdogs]

I've never seen or met any of the parties in this crash, but how "sad, painful, sick and morbid" to the victim's family is it, to repeat another's "tasteless quote" over and over?

And even during this mid-week viewing, there were other boaters "gawking".

A neutral party in this debate might suggest that Woodsy, Crampton, Stone, winnilakers, and NHRBA clean up the broken glass, repair the debris trail, repair the cottage's shingles, remove the fiberglass shards, paint the ledge dark gray, and float a wreath dedicated to Stephanie at the collision site...all sponsored by the National Marine Manufacturers Association.

Permission is likely to be granted by the landowner, who won't appreciate the long-drawn-out years of gawkers directly below their living room's plate glass windows.

Other lakeside residents, who dread being struck by more than just an anchor, don't need the reminder either.

Otherwise, that ledge will exist for many boating seasons as a "roadside memorial" of sorts, a reminder of a contentious debate long-protracted by the NHRBA, winnilakers, and NAMMA.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by 2Blackdogs

I've never seen or met any of the parties in this crash, but how "sad, painful, sick and morbid" to the victim's family is it, to repeat another's "tasteless quote" over and over?

And even during this mid-week viewing, there were other boaters "gawking".

A neutral party in this debate might suggest that Woodsy, Crampton, Stone, winnilakers, and NHRBA clean up the broken glass, repair the debris trail, repair the cottage's shingles, remove the fiberglass shards, paint the ledge dark gray, and float a wreath dedicated to Stephanie at the collision site...all sponsored by the National Marine Manufacturers Association.

Permission is likely to be granted by the landowner, who won't appreciate the long-drawn-out years of gawkers directly below their living room's plate glass windows.

Other lakeside residents, who dread being struck by more than just an anchor, don't need the reminder either.

Otherwise, that ledge will exist for many boating seasons as a "roadside memorial" of sorts, a reminder of a contentious debate long-protracted by the NHRBA, winnilakers, and NAMMA.

This has got to be your most uncalled for post yet. Simply unbelievable.

[KonaChick]

Originally Posted by chipj29

This has got to be your most uncalled for post yet. Simply unbelievable.

I agree 100% chip. It's time for me to ignore the troll and I encourage anyone else who feels this way to do the same. Thank you

[robmac]

I also agree!!

[parrothead]

Originally Posted by 2Blackdogs

I've never seen or met any of the parties in this crash, but how "sad, painful, sick and morbid" to the victim's family is it, to repeat another's "tasteless quote" over and over?

And even during this mid-week viewing, there were other boaters "gawking".

A neutral party in this debate might suggest that Woodsy, Crampton, Stone, winnilakers, and NHRBA clean up the broken glass, repair the debris trail, repair the cottage's shingles, remove the fiberglass shards, paint the ledge dark gray, and float a wreath dedicated to Stephanie at the collision site...all sponsored by the National Marine Manufacturers Association.

Permission is likely to be granted by the landowner, who won't appreciate the long-drawn-out years of gawkers directly below their living room's plate glass windows.

Other lakeside residents, who dread being struck by more than just an anchor, don't need the reminder either.

Otherwise, that ledge will exist for many boating seasons as a "roadside memorial" of sorts, a reminder of a contentious debate long-protracted by the NHRBA, winnilakers, and NAMMA.

What an insensitive thing to post. There is one person that was killed and two more in the hospital in serious condition, and this is the sensitivity you show the families involved. Many of the Forum members know the individuals involved. I hope you never have to experience a tragedy with media coverage like this, and have some yahoo in a public forum making it worse. Have some class, stop dragging the speed limit debates into this tragedy. The facts have not been presented yet, and your speculations and comments don't add anything positive to this Forum. Yikes what a mean spirited and cruel thing to say.

[Alton Bay]

Wouldn't it be nice if websites such as this required people to post their real names instead of hiding behind anonymous silly names? I am saddened to think that there are local people hiding behind those goofy names who think and write such cruel thoughts.
Cyberspace allows people to bully and accuse and ...hide. Very sad.

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by chipj29

This has got to be your most uncalled for post yet. Simply unbelievable.

Almost unanimous then. I think if nothing else, these comments are separating the real people from the pond scum.

[SIKSUKR]

I'm glad to see I'm not alone in finding this member so far out of line.I will bite my tongue here as best I can.Why the heck are you saying Woodsy and others should clean up this site?I'm guessing you are implying that the people you named are responsible for this accident.If you are,you are as pathetic a member as I have ever encountered on this forum.Then you go on to critisize those "gawkers" and tell us you've been to the site more than once and describe in detail what the site looks like and how those poor owners will have to put up with them.Them is you!Look in the mirror pal.Spew your hate somewhere else and spare us the phony condolenses and thoughts for the victims.They are friends of mine they don't want any people like you using them for your self interests.

[2Blackdogs]

Indignation without specifics? In the absense of specificity, let's start with the first paragraph:

I've never seen or met any of the parties in this crash, but how "sad, painful, sick and morbid" to the victim's family is it, to repeat another's "tasteless quote" over and over?

What's objectionable about that paragraph?

"Sad, painful, sick and morbid" are the words used by the same anonymous parties who are quoting it over and over and over, and expressing endless hand-wringing on this page!

How about the last paragraph?

Otherwise, that ledge will exist for many boating seasons as a "roadside memorial" of sorts, a reminder of a contentious debate long-protracted by the NHRBA, winnilakers, and NAMMA.

What's objectionable about that paragraph? I can guess, but there will be no specifics....again.

Who here will not visit the site? You know you will view the site yourselves otherwise your comments of indignation would have appeared earlier. Be honest with yourselves and others.

And gee, Ms Bay.....

[parrothead]

Originally Posted by 2Blackdogs

Indignation without specifics? In the absense of specificity, let's start with the first paragraph:



What's objectionable about that paragraph?

"Sad, painful, sick and morbid" are the words used by the same anonymous parties who are quoting it over and over and over, and expressing endless hand-wringing on this page!

How about the last paragraph?



What's objectionable about that paragraph? I can guess, but there will be no specifics....again.

Who here will not visit the site? You know you will view the site yourselves otherwise your comments of indignation would have appeared earlier. Be honest with yourselves and others.

And gee, Ms Bay.....

I find it objectionable that you seem to be downplaying this tragedy. It is sad and painful for the families and friends of these women, and your posts are poking fun at their anguish. What do you mean by "hand wringing"? Are you alluding to the forum members that have posted heartfelt prayers to the families. I really hope that I am misunderstanding your meaning, because that is pretty cold. I find it offensive that you asked the speed limit opposition to cleanup after this accident. Or the mocking manner that you propose that the site of the tragedy should be memorialized as a political statement. You have depersonalized this accident and tried to turn it to your own agenda. This is an unfortunate accident that we have no information about. Your posts are mean spirited to the families and friends of these women, and you come across as a heartless person. What do you hope to accomplish by this line of thinking? If your point is to push a political agenda, then making your audience angry isn't going to get your point across. Is that more specific!

[Evenstar]

Originally Posted by Alton Bay

Wouldn't it be nice if websites such as this required people to post their real names instead of hiding behind anonymous silly names? I am saddened to think that there are local people hiding behind those goofy names who think and write such cruel thoughts.
Cyberspace allows people to bully and accuse and ...hide. Very sad.

I totally agree with your post. Too many people on forums seem to think that it is ok to treat others badly, because they feel like their true identity will never be known. It is a very sad commentary on our society.

Originally Posted by 2Blackdogs

Indignation without specifics? In the absence of specificity, let's start with the first paragraph . . .

Your entire post (and several others) was very objectionable, tasteless, and cruel in so many ways. If you truly do not understand why people are so upset with your posts, I feel very sorry for you.

Who here will not visit the site? You know you will view the site yourselves otherwise your comments of indignation would have appeared earlier. Be honest with yourselves and others.

I for one have no desire to "view the site." I'm way too empathic, so going to where this tragedy occurred would be more than I could ever handle.

This is a time for compassion. Period. It is not a time for accusations, speculation, or for sensationalism.