Lake Host documenting personal info?

MJM · 08-12-2010, 09:16 AM

We've found the Lake Hosts (Libby Museum ramp) to be friendly and professional. My guess for the lying is that it was a strategy by a young person to avoid conflict. Not a good decision, but not the end of the world.

I am vigilant about my personal information, but Bow# and license plate# are public and readily visible.

Sman · 08-12-2010, 09:41 AM

With all due respect, you turned your private boating exprience into a public one when you got confrontational at a public boat launch and posted about it online.

Hope you had a good day on the lake though, that is what it is all about.

SIKSUKR · 08-12-2010, 09:54 AM

First of all,what is the big deal with your bow numbers being recorded at a ramp?Anyone could be just around the corner or in the water at the ramp doing the same thing.What harm would come to you with this info?As soon as you register your boat and display the numbers you gave up your supposed right to privacy about if your boat is launched at Winni.If your that paranoid than I suggest you launch at a private ramp.

brk-lnt · 08-12-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

First of all,what is the big deal with your bow numbers being recorded at a ramp?Anyone could be just around the corner or in the water at the ramp doing the same thing.What harm would come to you with this info?As soon as you register your boat and display the numbers you gave up your supposed right to privacy about if your boat is launched at Winni.If your that paranoid than I suggest you launch at a private ramp.

I think he has a concern about his whereabouts being tracked and logged, for whatever reason.

angela4design · 08-12-2010, 10:23 AM

How could that information be used? If someone's boat got hit, would they refer to the list to see likely offenders? I guess I don't see the point of keeping the list.

IDK - Are the hosts paid employees? Of whose? State/Private?

Irrigation Guy · 08-12-2010, 11:17 AM

FWIW - A friends daughter here in M'boro is a paid lake host.

One could only speculate why someone would want to withhold this information.

Providing past employment history on a public domain forum may lead to ones identity being discovered after all.

Winnicandle · 08-12-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

FWIW - A friends daughter here in M'boro is a paid lake host.

One could only speculate why someone would want to withhold this information.

Dosen't matter his intentions....I also find it rather irritating that someone is recording peoples comings/goings. Americans are funny that way - wanting to stay off lists.

I suppose one can just cover up their numbers just prior to launch then incover them in the water...just to mess with a few people who have nothing better to do on a nice sunny lake than other than record bow numbers.

Yankee · 08-12-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Winnicandle

Americans are funny that way - wanting to stay off lists.
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There are many who would define what you term "funny that way" as LIBERTY.

ironhorsetim · 08-12-2010, 06:43 PM

Why did the chicken cross the street ? I don't know let's ask the farmer.

Onshore · 08-12-2010, 11:57 AM

One COULD speculate as to why someone would not want their bow number recorded but then when you think about the fact that people would look at info like this and start speculating about who was where and why it sort of becomes self explanatory in my mind... And I say this as a government employee. I would guess that the interest in bow numbers is harmless and related to tracking ramp use patterns relative to milfoil infestations to better control its spread. Again that is a guess. That said, I would probably ask people not to track my bow number either just on principle. Let's face it most folks go there to "get away". If I felt that I was being followed or tracked I wouldn't want go there anymore.

Skip · 08-12-2010, 12:14 PM

The program, according to its website, seems to be a worthwhile effort that has a track record of identifying and helping eliminate invasive species infestation across the State.

HERE is the website that covers this particular program.

At the bottom you can read the instructor guide, the worksheet they use that requires bow number information, and all kinds of different information.

And as LocalRealtor indicated, there are indeed paid positions at the ramps.

I would assume that a call to the Lakes Association would clarify as to why they are tracking bow numbers. The information within the website assures that the information gathered is confidential.

Maybe there is a reader from the Lakes Association here that could shed more light on this particular policy?

By the way, I found the website very informative!

Jonas Pilot · 08-12-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

The program, according to its website, seems to be a worthwhile effort that has a track record of identifying and helping eliminate invasive species infestation across the State.

HERE is the website that covers this particular program.

At the bottom you can read the instructor guide, the worksheet they use that requires bow number information, and all kinds of different information.

And as LocalRealtor indicated, there are indeed paid positions at the ramps.

I would assume that a call to the Lakes Association would clarify as to why they are tracking bow numbers. The information within the website assures that the information gathered is confidential.

Maybe there is a reader from the Lakes Association here that could shed more light on this particular policy?

By the way, I found the website very informative!

It took the easy way out and just watched the video.

http://www.nhlakes.org/Lake_Host.mpg

Skip · 08-12-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonas Pilot

It took the easy way out and just watched the video.

http://www.nhlakes.org/Lake_Host.mpg

Thanks JP, missed the video when I was looking at the other info.

It is great that we have an organization like the NH Lakes Association and their staff and volunteers working dilligently to keep our waterways safe from invasive species.

If anyone else gets a moment, the video is an excellent way to familiarize yourself with this fantastic organization....

DEJ · 08-12-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

It is great that we have an organization like the NH Lakes Association and their staff and volunteers working dilligently to keep our waterways safe from invasive species.

Well said.

Lakegeezer · 08-12-2010, 06:48 PM

The lake hosts were notified today that if a boater asks to not have their bow numbers recorded, they should not be recorded, and scratched out if already recorded, which is common. Sometimes it takes an incident like this to clarify procedures. Those who ask to not be recorded may have to ask twice, as the next shift won't know they are a repeat visitor to the ramp. If the lake host in question here made a mistake, hopefully they will be forgiven and not do it again.

Note: not an official spokesperson for NHLA - just a lake host volunteer

DEJ · 08-12-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

The lake hosts were notified today that if a boater asks to not have their bow numbers recorded, they should not be recorded, and scratched out if already recorded, which is common. Sometimes it takes an incident like this to clarify procedures. Those who ask to not be recorded may have to ask twice, as the next shift won't know they are a repeat visitor to the ramp. If the lake host in question here made a mistake, hopefully they will be forgiven and not do it again.

Just curious why the NHLA could or would not post this info? Could have avoided most of this thread if they had done so.

Lakegeezer, are you an official spokes person for the NHLA? Thanks.

Irrigation Guy · 08-12-2010, 07:33 PM

Heaven · 08-12-2010, 08:24 PM

The main complaint here seems to be that an employee acted inappropriately, and just like the restaurant threads that complaint could have been better handled by loopcharged by calling the agency that the employee represents.

loopcharged seems so incensed that an employee perhaps stepped outside the lines and lied (he claims), that I can in fact see how he may have become intimidating to that person. A person can be intimidating without necessarily saying/interacting directly with a particular person.

Rose · 08-12-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DEJ

Just curious why the NHLA could or would not post this info? Could have avoided most of this thread if they had done so.

If the hosts are paid employees, this is probably now a personnel matter in the association's eyes and details with regards to the incident cannot be discussed in public without opening themselves up to legal action by the employees.

DEJ · 08-12-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rose

If the hosts are paid employees, this is probably now a personnel matter in the association's eyes and details with regards to the incident cannot be discussed in public without opening themselves up to legal action by the employees.

If that indeed is the case that is all they had to say and that would have been that and ended this discussion. Since they did not the question still exists. Here at the end of the day an answer from the NHLA still has not been given.

Bear Islander · 08-12-2010, 11:56 PM

I am disappointed at the responses posted here by the NHLA, an organization I have supported for years. In several posts they danced around the central question of recording bow numbers when asked not to, but gave no clear answer. In post #40 they gave a contradictory answer.

I am also disappointed in some posts by members here. Many people are concerned about information being gathered about them. They have every right to stand up for what they feel may invade their privacy. That DOES NOT mean they were doing anything wrong. It is a cheap shot to imply that because a person values their privacy that they have been breaking the law. Suggesting they "stay home" or "stay away from public ramps" is uncalled for. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Skipper of the Sea Que · 08-13-2010, 05:03 AM

Wow, some very diverse (and a few unexpected) comments in this thread. First, I do appreciate their work and any and all efforts to help clean up and protect our lakes. However....

New Hampshire Lakes Association and their Lakes Host Program goal: ...to prevent the introduction and spread of exotic aquatic plants...

They inspect boats and trailers looking for exotic plants BUT NOT ANIMALS? Why are they not looking for Zebra Mussels too? Is it a different kind of inspection to look for Zebra Mussels? Why exclude this aquatic nuisance species and concentrate only on plants?

Until this thread got me to look at their web site I thought the inspections were for all aquatic nuisance species - plant and animal but apparently I am wrong.

Get those bow numbers on paper but don't look for zebra mussels? Why waste an inspection opportunity?

Lakegeezer · 08-13-2010, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipper of the Sea Que

They inspect boats and trailers looking for exotic plants BUT NOT ANIMALS? Why are they not looking for Zebra Mussels too? Is it a different kind of inspection to look for Zebra Mussels? Why exclude this aquatic nuisance species and concentrate only on plants?

Until this thread got me to look at their web site I thought the inspections were for all aquatic nuisance species - plant and animal but apparently I am wrong.

In the training to be a lake host and also in lectures from the NH DES, we are taught that Lake Winnipesaukee is an acid rain lake. The low PH makes the calcium level in the water too low to support the growth of shells that zebra mussels depend on. They can not survive if introduced, so there is no need to inspect for them.

The lake hosts offer a pamphlet to rampers, with the plants of concern along with ones that are not yet in our lake. The hosts also have a nice laminated chart with large pictures of each one - to help them with identification. There is another program for those that want to help - and that is the weed watchers. After milfoil treatment, volunteers are needed to scour the lake for new and returning patches. In that training, we learn that there are some natural forms of milfoil and it is not always easy to know which is native and which is invasive. So much to learn - so little time.

In the latest presentation by NH DES (last Thursday at the Loon Center), Amy Smagula showed pictures taken under her boat trailer after examining a milfoil filled lake. It is amazing where those plants can hide!

VitaBene · 08-13-2010, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I am disappointed at the responses posted here by the NHLA, an organization I have supported for years. In several posts they danced around the central question of recording bow numbers when asked not to, but gave no clear answer. In post #40 they gave a contradictory answer.

I am also disappointed in some posts by members here. Many people are concerned about information being gathered about them. They have every right to stand up for what they feel may invade their privacy. That DOES NOT mean they were doing anything wrong. It is a cheap shot to imply that because a person values their privacy that they have been breaking the law. Suggesting they "stay home" or "stay away from public ramps" is uncalled for. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I fail to see anything contradictory in NHLA's post. Particularly #40- "Yes they are". NHLA's posts stated why they take down bow #s of boats that do and don't participate and it makes sense in both cases.

You make it sound like they are gathering information that is sensitive in any way. It is a bow #, you know that # that is required to be on your boat, be contrasting in color and large enough to be read from a distance.

I am sure that the NHLA is not tied into the National Security Agency.

Valuing your privacy does not mean intimidating a person doing his or her summer job. You know that a person does not need to use loud, boisterous or foul language to be intimidating. Read the OP again carefully. I am quite sure had I been at the ramp, I know who I would have sided with.

I am still trying to wrap my head around your last sentence, but I will say that I (and I daresay most others) will lose no sleep over what you think.

loopcharged · 08-13-2010, 07:52 AM

There were no minors involved. The female Lake Host representative is 47 years of age as per the Moultonborough police report. Her male counterpart appeared to be about the same age.

loopcharged · 08-13-2010, 08:12 AM

To obtain a hard copy of any police report requires the case to be closed and a written request that must be OK'd by the chief of police. I have submitted a request for the same. I have only recieved verbal data from the chief of police as the case is not yet closed. I would be willing to share the details with any and all concerned , however I must also agree that this all is rather silly. I launch many boats from many locations . I will echo my position from a previous post that I am aware of my resposibility as a boater to ensure that I am not propagating the migrition of invasive speicies. I have had the Lake Host "talk" enough to commit it to memory. This is why I politely decline. Recording any of the "public registration numbers" is poitless as I will always decline the inspections. My vision is good and my resposibilites clear. Consuming the time of boaters at the ramp on busy weekends makes for extended launch times and can cause other problems. There is such a thing as good ramp edicate.

This'nThat · 08-12-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

One could only speculate why someone would want to withhold this information.

Providing past employment history on a public domain forum may lead to ones identity being discovered after all.

There's a difference. Giving up your PII data is one thing -- an agency, company, or organization actively collecting it and storing it is quite another. Apples and oranges.

I never give my telephone number to the grocery store clerk when I am asked. Others do. I don't understand why.

The Real BigGuy · 08-12-2010, 02:05 PM

Let's be clear, bow numbers are not personnal information. They are public, just as a car's license plat is. The information behind the bow numbers (name, address, phone number, etc.) is the private information. There is no need/requirement to get approval to record a bow number. If they use the bow number to access your personnal information, that is a different story.

A suggestion: if you don't want your bow number recorded, use a private launch facility and pay the fee. No lake hosts there.

"Everyone is after me but, I'm not paranoid!"

DBreskin · 08-12-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

Let's be clear, bow numbers are not personnal information. They are public, just as a car's license plat is. The information behind the bow numbers (name, address, phone number, etc.) is the private information. There is no need/requirement to get approval to record a bow number. If they use the bow number to access your personnal information, that is a different story.

Do not confuse personal with private; they are not mutually exclusive. Bow numbers are most definitely personal information, just as a license plate number on your car is personal information. Both are used to identify an individual vehicle, which is usually linked to an individual owner. Both bow numbers and license plate numbers are both personal and public information.

LIforrelaxin · 08-12-2010, 11:30 AM

This is the problem with the lake host system. I knew at some point this would happen. In this day and age it is to easy for people to become paranoid. And feel as though big brother is watching them. While I agree with educating people about milfoil and other invasive non native plant species, I don't agree with recording any information what so ever for any purpose.

I understand exactly what they are trying to do with that information, because they are tracking the same information at lakes and ramps where milfoil exist. Now what do people think is going to happen when your bow number show up at a ramp where milfoil all of a sudden shows up and also show up with in a reasonable prior period of time at a ramp will milfoil is known to be a problem?

No I am not paranoid.... it is simply the truth... the liberalistic society that creates these programs is looking for ways to blame and target people to pay for the problem.

I was originally thinking of participating in the Lake Host program myself, until I heard that they wanted to track and take information. That is just the wrong way to approach these problem.... education is how it needs to be done, not through tactics that can lead to blame.

This'nThat · 08-12-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

No I am not paranoid.... it is simply the truth... the liberalistic society that creates these programs is looking for ways to blame and target people to pay for the problem.

I was originally thinking of participating in the Lake Host program myself, until I heard that they wanted to track and take information. That is just the wrong way to approach these problem.... education is how it needs to be done, not through tactics that can lead to blame.

There's an information security concept called PII (Personally Identifiable Information). It's any personal information that can be used to identify people. When organizations collect PII data, they are obligated to get your permission first, and then tell you exactly what it's going to be used for. They also are obligated to not collect PII data on you if you don't want them to.

What is PII data? It's a number of things. See here. You'll notice that Vehicle Identification information is one of them. In fact, why do newspapers and TV always obscure the license plate when they show someone on TV? Because that info is PII, that's why.

The Lake Host program needs to revise its policies. They are not allowed to record PII data without permission. A good lawyer can make some hay on this.

Shedwannabe · 08-12-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by This'nThat

When organizations collect PII data, they are obligated to get your permission first, and then tell you exactly what it's going to be used for. They also are obligated to not collect PII data on you if you don't want them to.

Interesting link, but where does it say what you allege? There is nothing in that article that has anything to do with your claim. The closest is: "The U.S. Senate has recently proposed the Privacy Act of 2005, which attempts to strictly limit the display, purchase, or sale of PII without the person's consent." Now that may have passed, and result it what you claimed, but the link you gave does not reveal that, if in fact it happened.

So, you may be correct, but have provided no proof or in fact any evidence suggesting you might be correct.

This'nThat · 08-12-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shedwannabe

Interesting link, but where does it say what you allege? There is nothing in that article that has anything to do with your claim. The closest is: "The U.S. Senate has recently proposed the Privacy Act of 2005, which attempts to strictly limit the display, purchase, or sale of PII without the person's consent." Now that may have passed, and result it what you claimed, but the link you gave does not reveal that, if in fact it happened.

So, you may be correct, but have provided no proof or in fact any evidence suggesting you might be correct.

The link was to provide a list of examples of PII data, which includes vehicle identification information.

garysanfran · 08-12-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by This'nThat

There's an information security concept called PII (Personally Identifiable Information). It's any personal information that can be used to identify people. When organizations collect PII data, they are obligated to get your permission first, and then tell you exactly what it's going to be used for. They also are obligated to not collect PII data on you if you don't want them to.

What is PII data? It's a number of things. See here. You'll notice that Vehicle Identification information is one of them. In fact, why do newspapers and TV always obscure the license plate when they show someone on TV? Because that info is PII, that's why.

The Lake Host program needs to revise its policies. They are not allowed to record PII data without permission. A good lawyer can make some hay on this.

OMG!!! you want to get a lawyer involved with this?

This'nThat · 08-12-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by garysanfran

OMG!!! you want to get a lawyer involved with this?

Did I say that? Nope. BUT -- if anybody misuses personal data, that is serious. I think the people who instinctively resist requests for this data are correct -- and ANYBODY who doesn't respect rights to privacy are opening a can of worms that, unfortunately, will ultimately involve lawyers. It would be better for the lake hosts to know that linking vehicle license numbers with names and/or addresses is skating on thin legal ice.

loopcharged · 08-12-2010, 09:52 AM

I am a full time year round resident of Moultonborough and have been since 1979. As a boy I worked with Fred Marcus ( his daughter now runs the loon sanctuary/center ) at the "point" where Fred was working with Dartmouth college to eradicate milfoil. I have personaly witnessed the degradation of the Lee's mills and greens basin areas. I was working on Squam lake when milfoil was discovered there and cooperated with the SLA to ensure it would not propagate from outside trailer traffic. I am very aware of my responcibility as a boater to help prevent the migration of invasive speicies. I also have some very serious and personal reasons for not wanting records of where I am or what I may or may not be doing there. In the past I have simply and politely declined the Lake Host's request for inspections and recording of my bow numbers. Until last Sunday there had been no trouble. Ultimately I believe that I was used as a pawn wherein the female Lake Host representative didn't like my wife declining their request for inspection. I was not present when the request was made and declined. I only confirmed that Lake Host was performing as they stated. They did not. If when I veiwed the "public" information on the clipboard and found that Lake Host had done what they indicated to my wife they would do, there would be no issue.

08-12-2010, 09:41 AM	#2
Sman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 103 Thanks: 3 Thanked 27 Times in 8 Posts	Agree with Vitabene With all due respect, you turned your private boating exprience into a public one when you got confrontational at a public boat launch and posted about it online. Hope you had a good day on the lake though, that is what it is all about.

08-12-2010, 09:54 AM	#3
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Talk about making your concern worse First of all,what is the big deal with your bow numbers being recorded at a ramp?Anyone could be just around the corner or in the water at the ramp doing the same thing.What harm would come to you with this info?As soon as you register your boat and display the numbers you gave up your supposed right to privacy about if your boat is launched at Winni.If your that paranoid than I suggest you launch at a private ramp. __________________ SIKSUKR

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08-12-2010, 12:14 PM	#11
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	NH Lakes Association Lake Hosts website The program, according to its website, seems to be a worthwhile effort that has a track record of identifying and helping eliminate invasive species infestation across the State. HERE is the website that covers this particular program. At the bottom you can read the instructor guide, the worksheet they use that requires bow number information, and all kinds of different information. And as LocalRealtor indicated, there are indeed paid positions at the ramps. I would assume that a call to the Lakes Association would clarify as to why they are tracking bow numbers. The information within the website assures that the information gathered is confidential. Maybe there is a reader from the Lakes Association here that could shed more light on this particular policy? By the way, I found the website very informative!

08-12-2010, 06:48 PM	#15
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,680 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 355 Thanked 640 Times in 291 Posts	forgive, forget and move on The lake hosts were notified today that if a boater asks to not have their bow numbers recorded, they should not be recorded, and scratched out if already recorded, which is common. Sometimes it takes an incident like this to clarify procedures. Those who ask to not be recorded may have to ask twice, as the next shift won't know they are a repeat visitor to the ramp. If the lake host in question here made a mistake, hopefully they will be forgiven and not do it again. Note: not an official spokesperson for NHLA - just a lake host volunteer __________________ -lg Last edited by Lakegeezer; 08-12-2010 at 07:08 PM. Reason: answering DEJ

08-12-2010, 09:16 AM	#1
MJM Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 262 Thanks: 0 Thanked 23 Times in 11 Posts	We've found the Lake Hosts (Libby Museum ramp) to be friendly and professional. My guess for the lying is that it was a strategy by a young person to avoid conflict. Not a good decision, but not the end of the world. I am vigilant about my personal information, but Bow# and license plate# are public and readily visible.

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angela4design Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Meredith Posts: 353 Thanks: 45 Thanked 54 Times in 38 Posts	How could that information be used? If someone's boat got hit, would they refer to the list to see likely offenders? I guess I don't see the point of keeping the list. IDK - Are the hosts paid employees? Of whose? State/Private?

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Irrigation Guy Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Moultonborough, NH Posts: 484 Thanks: 89 Thanked 138 Times in 72 Posts	FWIW - A friends daughter here in M'boro is a paid lake host. One could only speculate why someone would want to withhold this information. Providing past employment history on a public domain forum may lead to ones identity being discovered after all.

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Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 503 Thanks: 12 Thanked 425 Times in 146 Posts	One COULD speculate as to why someone would not want their bow number recorded but then when you think about the fact that people would look at info like this and start speculating about who was where and why it sort of becomes self explanatory in my mind... And I say this as a government employee. I would guess that the interest in bow numbers is harmless and related to tracking ramp use patterns relative to milfoil infestations to better control its spread. Again that is a guess. That said, I would probably ask people not to track my bow number either just on principle. Let's face it most folks go there to "get away". If I felt that I was being followed or tracked I wouldn't want go there anymore.

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Heaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 523 Thanks: 128 Thanked 95 Times in 67 Posts	The main complaint here seems to be that an employee acted inappropriately, and just like the restaurant threads that complaint could have been better handled by loopcharged by calling the agency that the employee represents. loopcharged seems so incensed that an employee perhaps stepped outside the lines and lied (he claims), that I can in fact see how he may have become intimidating to that person. A person can be intimidating without necessarily saying/interacting directly with a particular person.

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Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	I am disappointed at the responses posted here by the NHLA, an organization I have supported for years. In several posts they danced around the central question of recording bow numbers when asked not to, but gave no clear answer. In post #40 they gave a contradictory answer. I am also disappointed in some posts by members here. Many people are concerned about information being gathered about them. They have every right to stand up for what they feel may invade their privacy. That DOES NOT mean they were doing anything wrong. It is a cheap shot to imply that because a person values their privacy that they have been breaking the law. Suggesting they "stay home" or "stay away from public ramps" is uncalled for. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

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08-13-2010, 07:52 AM	#25
loopcharged Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 26 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	Lake Host "kid" There were no minors involved. The female Lake Host representative is 47 years of age as per the Moultonborough police report. Her male counterpart appeared to be about the same age.

08-13-2010, 08:12 AM	#26
loopcharged Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 26 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	Lake Host incident police report To obtain a hard copy of any police report requires the case to be closed and a written request that must be OK'd by the chief of police. I have submitted a request for the same. I have only recieved verbal data from the chief of police as the case is not yet closed. I would be willing to share the details with any and all concerned , however I must also agree that this all is rather silly. I launch many boats from many locations . I will echo my position from a previous post that I am aware of my resposibility as a boater to ensure that I am not propagating the migrition of invasive speicies. I have had the Lake Host "talk" enough to commit it to memory. This is why I politely decline. Recording any of the "public registration numbers" is poitless as I will always decline the inspections. My vision is good and my resposibilites clear. Consuming the time of boaters at the ramp on busy weekends makes for extended launch times and can cause other problems. There is such a thing as good ramp edicate.

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loopcharged (08-12-2010)

08-12-2010, 02:05 PM	#28
The Real BigGuy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,310 Thanks: 125 Thanked 473 Times in 288 Posts	Personnal Information Let's be clear, bow numbers are not personnal information. They are public, just as a car's license plat is. The information behind the bow numbers (name, address, phone number, etc.) is the private information. There is no need/requirement to get approval to record a bow number. If they use the bow number to access your personnal information, that is a different story. A suggestion: if you don't want your bow number recorded, use a private launch facility and pay the fee. No lake hosts there. "Everyone is after me but, I'm not paranoid!"

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08-12-2010, 11:30 AM	#30
LIforrelaxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas, Lake Ray Hubbard and NH, Long Island Winnipesaukee Posts: 2,882 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 893 Times in 525 Posts	This is the problem with the lake host system. I knew at some point this would happen. In this day and age it is to easy for people to become paranoid. And feel as though big brother is watching them. While I agree with educating people about milfoil and other invasive non native plant species, I don't agree with recording any information what so ever for any purpose. I understand exactly what they are trying to do with that information, because they are tracking the same information at lakes and ramps where milfoil exist. Now what do people think is going to happen when your bow number show up at a ramp where milfoil all of a sudden shows up and also show up with in a reasonable prior period of time at a ramp will milfoil is known to be a problem? No I am not paranoid.... it is simply the truth... the liberalistic society that creates these programs is looking for ways to blame and target people to pay for the problem. I was originally thinking of participating in the Lake Host program myself, until I heard that they wanted to track and take information. That is just the wrong way to approach these problem.... education is how it needs to be done, not through tactics that can lead to blame. __________________ Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....

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08-12-2010, 09:52 AM	#36
loopcharged Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 26 Thanks: 17 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	For the record I am a full time year round resident of Moultonborough and have been since 1979. As a boy I worked with Fred Marcus ( his daughter now runs the loon sanctuary/center ) at the "point" where Fred was working with Dartmouth college to eradicate milfoil. I have personaly witnessed the degradation of the Lee's mills and greens basin areas. I was working on Squam lake when milfoil was discovered there and cooperated with the SLA to ensure it would not propagate from outside trailer traffic. I am very aware of my responcibility as a boater to help prevent the migration of invasive speicies. I also have some very serious and personal reasons for not wanting records of where I am or what I may or may not be doing there. In the past I have simply and politely declined the Lake Host's request for inspections and recording of my bow numbers. Until last Sunday there had been no trouble. Ultimately I believe that I was used as a pawn wherein the female Lake Host representative didn't like my wife declining their request for inspection. I was not present when the request was made and declined. I only confirmed that Lake Host was performing as they stated. They did not. If when I veiwed the "public" information on the clipboard and found that Lake Host had done what they indicated to my wife they would do, there would be no issue.