A boat anchored in front of our place for *5 hours* ??? Hmmm...

[Chaselady]

Originally Posted by secondcurve

19-mile Bay in front of Farm Island (no houses on the island) is a good spot.

A very popular spot. Watch out for the 2 loon chicks hanging out there with their parents.

[AB_Monterey]

We were out yesterday achored in the same spot from 10-7.

That's our idea of a day on the lake.

That said, I'd try to avoid being directly in front of a cottage myself.

[Barbara]

We also use our boat as our beach and anchor for 4-5 hours at a time. We try to stay back from homes and definitely seek places away from the rafters. We live near Winter Harbor. Johnson's Cove becomes an insane place on weekends, sometimes with 40-50 boats. Not appealing at all!!

[BroadHopper]

Ever been to the island on a holiday weekend? Shorefront owners have no say in the matter when hundreds of boats are rafting in front of their property, and these boats anchor overnight!

Just be thankful you didn't shell out gazillions pennies and put up with this crowd!

[tis]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Ever been to the island on a holiday weekend? Shorefront owners have no say in the matter when hundreds of boats are rafting in front of their property, and these boats anchor overnight!

Just be thankful you didn't shell out gazillions pennies and put up with this crowd!

I hope this never happens to the lake. Can you imagine the lake full, I mean full, of rafters?

[dpg]

Originally Posted by tis

I hope this never happens to the lake. Can you imagine the lake full, I mean full, of rafters?

Heaven forbid somebody sitting in front of YOUR slice of paradise.

[tis]

Yes, heaven forbid a hundred boats sitting in front of my place! I wouldn't like it. I do pay a lot of taxes to have a little peace.

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

Originally Posted by tis

Yes, heaven forbid a hundred boats sitting in front of my place! I wouldn't like it. I do pay a lot of taxes to have a little peace.

I understand some like quiet and privacy so to each their own...I say the more the merrier, come anchor in front of my place. Most likely you'll swim to shore and join the party. It would take quite a bit of noise for me to move you along.

[Webbsatwinni]

Originally Posted by PaugusBayFireFighter

I understand some like quiet and privacy so to each their own...I say the more the merrier, come anchor in front of my place. Most likely you'll swim to shore and join the party. It would take quite a bit of noise for me to move you along.

As long as they have a 'full" floating cooler that they are bringing ashore!

[BroadHopper]

For those who have live on the lake all their lives, rafting in front of the property is a fact of life. It's been done for decades.

If you are looking for peace and quiet, Squam Lake is not too far North.

[tis]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

For those who have live on the lake all their lives, rafting in front of the property is a fact of life. It's been done for decades.

If you are looking for peace and quiet, Squam Lake is not too far North.

I have lived on the lake my whole life. I have to say I don't remember people rafting at least like they do today. I like the activity of the lake. I am just saying I would not like a hundred boats in front of my place. A few is ok.

I can see this becoming a huge issue in the future. When a lakefront owner says something like I just did, the rafters jump on them. It is a very contentious subject.

[tis]

Originally Posted by dpg

Heaven forbid somebody sitting in front of YOUR slice of paradise.

They do, all the time. And usually I don't mind it. But when they are very noisy and when we see them do their bathroom thing in the lake and when they take their dogs on our neighbors land to go to the bathroom and when they go on our neighbor's dock and when they park right in front of our beach-- I must say I don't like it.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by tis

They do, all the time. And usually I don't mind it. But when they are very noisy and when we see them do their bathroom thing in the lake and when they take their dogs on our neighbors land to go to the bathroom and when they go on our neighbor's dock and when they park right in front of our beach-- I must say I don't like it.

Now this I agree 100%. It is all about RESPECT!

Problem is those who come up to vacation, appears to have no respect at all!

[dpg]

Originally Posted by tis

They do, all the time. And usually I don't mind it. But when they are very noisy and when we see them do their bathroom thing in the lake and when they take their dogs on our neighbors land to go to the bathroom and when they go on our neighbor's dock and when they park right in front of our beach-- I must say I don't like it.

Your right that's a whole other thread and I ain't going there. Think there's some exageration there but whatever it is what it is. And no I do not own waterfront so I guess I don't have a leg to stand on. Been "coming up" for thirty years but not to waterfront.

[tis]

Originally Posted by dpg

Your right that's a whole other thread and I ain't going there. Think there's some exageration there but whatever it is what it is. And no I do not own waterfront so I guess I don't have a leg to stand on. Been "coming up" for thirty years but not to waterfront.

There is absolutely no exaggeration here and I resent that. Would you like to come visit me and ask my neighbors what they have seen since you don't believe me?

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by tis

They do, all the time. And usually I don't mind it. But when they are very noisy and when we see them do their bathroom thing in the lake and when they take their dogs on our neighbors land to go to the bathroom and when they go on our neighbor's dock and when they park right in front of our beach-- I must say I don't like it.

Tis --- where do you live?

I can't figure out from the posts which sandbar or rafting area you are in front of ?

(serious question)

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[WakeboardMom]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Tis --- where do you live?

I can't figure out from the posts which sandbar or rafting area you are in front of ?

(serious question)

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Your signature line caught my eye...lol...you wouldn't be the phantom painter of the Long Island bridge would you?

[BroadHopper]

I have been unable to find a list of No Rafting zones for NH. I can find individual RSAs but no list. Anyone found one?

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I have been unable to find a list of No Rafting zones for NH. I can find individual RSAs but no list. Anyone found one?

http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/n...estricted.html

[jrc]

Remember rafting in NH means tying three or more boats together, being too close to another boat or being within 150' of shore.

From the most recent copy of Saf-c 400 on the State of NH website, it does not include the recently approved closed coves behind Stonedam:

Saf-C 407.03 Prohibited Areas.
(a) Rafting, as defined in RSA 270:42, V, shall be prohibited on the following portions of Lake Winnipesaukee, unless covered by one of the exceptions specified in RSA 270:45:

(1) The area known as Kona Mansion, in the town of Moultonborough, east of an imaginary line running north and south from the red top mark buoy located on the western tip of Avery's Point on the south to the Kona Farm gas docks on the north;

(2) Small's Cove in the town of Alton, southwest of an imaginary line running southeast-northwest from light 75 on the northwestern end to the northernmost point of land marking the entrance to the first cove, south of Small's Cove on the south;

(3) Wentworth Cove, southwest of Governor's Island Bridge west of an imaginary north-south line, running from light 43 on the north to the black top buoy, located off Wentworth Cove Estates on the south;

(4) Braun Bay, within 300 feet of both fish and game property lines, to be delineated by marine patrol with orange mooring balls;

(5) Braun Bay, at a distance less than 75 feet from shore, to be delineated by marine patrol with orange mooring balls;

(6) The area known as Cedar Cove, specifically identified as the area opposite Plum Island which borders the town of Alton tax map 18, lot numbers 12 through 20 and 55;

(7) The area of Winter Harbor from the southern boundary of the town of Tuftonboro tax map 63, lot number 14 to the southern boundary of tax map 15, lot number 20;

(8) The entire area known as Green’s Basin in the town of Moultonborough;

(9) Orchard Cove, on the east side of Cow Island, in the town of Tuftonboro;

(10) The entire area known as Buzzell Cove in the town of Moultonborough;

(11) Brickyard Cove, south of an imaginary line running about 2,300 feet from the northern tip of Clay Point to the southern tip of Barndoor Island;

(12) The entire area known as Black Cove, in the town of Meredith, encompassing an area in Meredith tax map S-7, east from the northern most point of Lot 5-1 to the southeastern most point of Lot 1;

(13) The entire area known as East Cove in the town of Moultonborough;

(14) The entire area known as Advent Cove in the town of Meredith; and

(15) Roberts Cove, in the town of Alton, east of an imaginary line running north to south from the westerly boundary of lot 41 on tax map 48 to the westerly boundary of lot 1 on tax map 48.

[BroadHopper]

Even though Mark Twain calls them lies, here in NH it is truth.

For the State of NH. Rafting Limitations or no rafting.

Lake Ossipee is interesting, there is only one area with a limitation of 10 boats that can raft.

Lake Sunapee has 2 No Rafting Zones. I noticed they are in congested areas and it makes sense.

Lake Winnipesaukee has 13 No rafting zones with one area limiting rafting to 25' and 3 boats.

Looks like the rest of the state is pretty clear.

One thing you need to keep in mind is that the Great Bay and Piscataqua River one cannot anchor and or raft at any spot. You must find an empty mooring buoy at designated areas and anchor from there. You need to register with the harbormaster for overnight.

Another interesting tidbit is that the entire Connecticut River is the jurisdiction of NH. Not down the middle with VT as people believe.

Bear in mind there are only less than 100 full time marine patrol officers patrolling offer 900 bodies of navigable waters. And people are squawking about no marine patrol presence. Winnipesaukee I believe is the only NH navigable body that has presence 24/7.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by WakeboardMom

Your signature line caught my eye...lol...you wouldn't be the phantom painter of the Long Island bridge would you?

Quite simply NO
(although in my younger years, you would have had just concern it was me )

I actually have had this "signature" since joining in 2005-- long before the bridge got vandalized/ tagged a few years back


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[Chaselady]

Originally Posted by tis

They do, all the time. And usually I don't mind it. But when they are very noisy and when we see them do their bathroom thing in the lake and when they take their dogs on our neighbors land to go to the bathroom and when they go on our neighbor's dock and when they park right in front of our beach-- I must say I don't like it.

I don't blame you one bit. For starters, I don't get the whole "rafting" bit. Maybe I don't like to be tied up with a bunch of people. I also notice, like at Braun Bay people who raft together are often drinking, and yelling (because folks have NO clue how sound carries over water) peeing in the water. Honestly, who wants to swim in someone else's toilet? Where do people think all that beer is going?

[Phantom]

Ever notice that the ones typically truly "rafting" (3+ boats tied together) are

(1) typically ALL from the same Marina ?
(2) typically in the 32'+ Sea Ray class
(3) more often than not from the same slip !

My wife & I always laugh at the fact that these boats/ people spend all of their time socializing on the same dock all mornings & evenings, then go out and spend all their Lake time "rafted" together.

To each his own - I guess .........



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[jrc]

Is this going to turn into an anti-rafting thread and then be put in the dungeon?

I'm not big on big rafts because we don't like to be tied down. But I have enjoyed quite a few good days with friends in rafts.

I'm so sick and tired of the toilet thing it just makes me sick to have to address it again. Sure people standing in the water will pee in the water but that doesn't really apply to rafters as much as any crowd in the water. Does making rafting illegal keep all the small boats out of Braun bay? Those people standing in the water are peeing the same if their boats are tied together or not. The kids on Weirs beach are peeing in the water, the kids in the Boy Scout camp are peeing in the water, your kids are peeing in the water on your beach, fishermen are peeing in the water, ever see a bass boat with a head, a canoe, a kayak? Make peeing illegal not rafting.

Phantom's list makes it actually better to allow rafting. Larger 32'+ boats all have heads and holding tanks, but small boats don't.

As to the rest of the list, why are you surprised that people hang out with their friends?

[Phantom]

Back the bus up JRC !

first, I never took a position on rafting -- quite frankly I don't give a hoot (please note my comment of "to each his own")

Second -- I never touched the topic of the Lake being a toilet --- We all know what happens, live with it or leave.

and finally -- to your question -"why am I surprised people hang out with their friends ?" ......... Hanging out vs. being around them every weekend all day/all night Breakfast/Lunch/Dinner/socializing on the slip in between are two different things.......


As I said ..... To each his own
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[dpg]

Would you like to come visit me and ask my neighbors what they have seen since you don't believe me?

Nope I'm good thank you.

[jrc]

Sorry, most of my post was addressing the irritating comment about rafters using the lake as a toilet. Did not mean to tar you with that brush.

Agree that sometimes you can have too much of a good thing, regarding friends.

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by jrc

Is this going to turn into an anti-rafting thread and then be put in the dungeon?

I'm not big on big rafts because we don't like to be tied down. But I have enjoyed quite a few good days with friends in rafts.

I'm so sick and tired of the toilet thing it just makes me sick to have to address it again. Sure people standing in the water will pee in the water but that doesn't really apply to rafters as much as any crowd in the water. Does making rafting illegal keep all the small boats out of Braun bay? Those people standing in the water are peeing the same if their boats are tied together or not. The kids on Weirs beach are peeing in the water, the kids in the Boy Scout camp are peeing in the water, your kids are peeing in the water on your beach, fishermen are peeing in the water, ever see a bass boat with a head, a canoe, a kayak? Make peeing illegal not rafting.

Phantom's list makes it actually better to allow rafting. Larger 32'+ boats all have heads and holding tanks, but small boats don't.

As to the rest of the list, why are you surprised that people hang out with their friends?

To drill down a bit deeper: The problem isn't rafting. Nor is it peeing. These are symptoms. The real problem is drinking but no one wants to address this issue.

[Chaselady]

Originally Posted by secondcurve

To drill down a bit deeper: The problem isn't rafting. Nor is it peeing. These are symptoms. The real problem is drinking but no one wants to address this issue.

I agree. But I will drill a little deeper. Lack of respect. Some folks think, because they have a boat on the lake, that thy are entitled to do whatever they like. The drinking just makes that attitude worse.
Like the guy who exposed himself in front of our house, to empty his bladder, in front of our young child ( at that time) and then proceeded to flip us off when we said something to him.
It's hard to ignore, condone, and even get past that stuff after a while. And for those that believe we should " go somewhere else" if we don't like it....
We invested our lives, money, and yearly tax bills to live on this lake.

[HellRaZoR004]

Originally Posted by Chaselady

I agree. But I will drill a little deeper. Lack of respect. Some folks think, because they have a house on the lake, that thy are entitled to do whatever they like.

I'm not being serious. But sometimes I feel like that's how some people behave. I don't condone this behavior but it still happens.

[Chaselady]

Originally Posted by HellRaZoR004

I'm not being serious. But sometimes I feel like that's how some people behave. I don't condone this behavior but it still happens.

It happens. If I behaved in such a manner, in someone's driveway, in front of their house, I might be arrested for indecent exposure, and possibly end up on the sex offender registry. But when it happens on the lake, the attitude is so different...." What the hell, just enjoying ourselves!"

[jrc]

No one wants to see a man expose himself to empty his bladder. That's really a special level of crude. What did the Marine Patrol do to him?

[Chaselady]

Originally Posted by jrc

No one wants to see a man expose himself to empty his bladder. That's really a special level of crude. What did the Marine Patrol do to him?

They were called, and didn't come. This was several years ago. But left a lasting impression.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by Chaselady

They were called, and didn't come. This was several years ago. But left a lasting impression.

What could the MP do if you didn't have a video or photo of the guy exposing himself? It would be your word against his.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Rusty

What could the MP do if you didn't have a video or photo of the guy exposing himself? It would be your word against his.

I have often seen men stop to relieve themselves while snowmobiling too.

[RANGER CANOE CO]

Originally Posted by Chaselady

I don't blame you one bit. For starters, I don't get the whole "rafting" bit. Maybe I don't like to be tied up with a bunch of people. I also notice, like at Braun Bay people who raft together are often drinking, and yelling (because folks have NO clue how sound carries over water) peeing in the water. Honestly, who wants to swim in someone else's toilet? Where do people think all that beer is going?

Rafting thing Well at least you dont live here

[Greene's Basin Girl]

Originally Posted by RANGER CANOE CO

Rafting thing Well at least you dont live here

Where is this?

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Greene's Basin Girl

Where is this?

Don't know, but it looks a lot like a jobbie nooner in Michigan.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Greene's Basin Girl

Where is this?

Sanibel Island in Florida maybe?

Aren't you glad you are not on Lake Norman NC Home of the world record rafting event? I heard there were many accidents on the interstate bridge on the holiday weekends because of hooters...........................

[tis]

That was what I was saying earlier, I hope this lake never looks like that!

[RANGER CANOE CO]

Originally Posted by Greene's Basin Girl

Where is this?

St Clair River- Lake St Clair Mi. Sorry for the delay. My post are Monitored for some reason

[jrc]

I hate to dig up a quiet topic but I saw this and thought of the problem discussed here, maybe this sign needs to be at boat launches.

[SIKSUKR]

Ok now,those signs are sexist or are they saying just don't pee out of the water. I suppose there could be a squatting silloulette.

[Rich]

What's sexist about it?

If you want to know how to do this as a female, there are instructions available. I'd post a link, but I'm sure can do your own google search if you really needed this info. Check www.wikihow.com for detailed instructions (and not 'adult oriented' videos).

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by Rich

What's sexist about it?

If you want to know how to do this as a female, there are instructions available. I'd post a link, but I'm sure can do your own google search if you really needed this info. Check www.wikihow.com for detailed instructions (and not 'adult oriented' videos).

I guess you missed my smiley face.

[Farfrumbehavin]

It's interesting that the thread started with the topic of anchoring in front of someones house on the lake and ended up about peeing in the water. I anchored once close to the shore of an island. There was a dock close by and a small camp in the woods. there was no boat at the dock and it looked like the place was deserted. We grilled up some burgers and while we were eating a couple came in on a boat to the dock and tied off. I apologized for being so close and began pulling up the anchor to move and the people insisted that it was not a problem and that we stay as long as we would like. We finished eating and thanked them for there hospitality and they thanked us for the visit and we moved on. I really hadn't given it much thought that there may an edicate to anchoring in a public body of water, But did feel uncomfortable in front of someones camp. Of course we had just given up our own privacy as well. Is there an unspoken rule as to how far from shore you should anchor if there is houses near by? I like to hug the shore for shelter from the wind, but now I look for a place where i'm not invading anyones privacy. Inside of the 150 ft line also get's you inside the no wake area which i would think is safer for everyone. As far as the peeing goes, is it the pollution to the lake or the fact that someone is exposing themselves that is the issue or both. I would think that if you had to pee you could be discrete so nobody could even tell what your doing. Pulling up in front of someones house close enough so they can see what you are holding in your hand is just ridiculous. Otherwise let's face it, your never going to stop the peeing. How many people pee right after they jump in and nobody ever knows. As far as polution goes I'm sure there are much bigger problems on the lake than people peeing, But yeah nobody wants to watch! But if we have to pee we hold it all day untill we get home that night, would you beleive anyone who told you that?

[Music Man]

Originally Posted by tis

They do, all the time. And usually I don't mind it. But when they are very noisy and when we see them do their bathroom thing in the lake and when they take their dogs on our neighbors land to go to the bathroom and when they go on our neighbor's dock and when they park right in front of our beach-- I must say I don't like it.

Ditto - today we went down to Carry Beach in Wolfeboro, and were "treated" to a single boat anchored just outside the swimming area, blasting its music back at the beach, with their oblivious hoard partying hardy.

It makes you think bad thoughts...