Boat crash

[steve c]

Bear cam snap shot

[Phantom]

in deference to those closer to the families ……… can we NOT debate the impact speculations in open forum?

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by Phantom

in deference to those closer to the families ……… can we NOT debate the impact speculations in open forum?

Why? This forum had no problem debating the Diamond Is incident impacts etc etc! Double standard?

Bottom line is both guys made mistakes.... the accident report will bear that out! They never just blame 1 guy!

Woodsy

[fatlazyless]

The new light emitting diode light bulb technology that is slowly replacing the old incandescent light bulbs are much brighter, and much easier to see across the water, especially on a rainy, foggy night.

From my mega-mega-mega-mega multi million dollar waterfront location .... (every year or so, it gets another mega) I watch boats putt-putt past at night, all the time from a distance, and there is a big, big difference in the brightness boat light visibility on the boats, out there.

Sometimes, the old bulbs are not very bright even when brand new, plus the green, red, or white cover gets faded over the years which also lowers the visibility.

Whether you drive a boat or pedal a bicycle, if you go out at night, having some good, strong, bright lights can definitely make the big difference.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

The new light emitting diode light bulb technology that is slowly replacing the old incandescent light bulbs are much brighter, and much easier to see across the water, especially on a rainy, foggy night.

From my mega-mega-mega-mega multi million dollar waterfront location .... (every year or so, it gets another mega) I watch boats putt-putt past at night, all the time from a distance, and there is a big, big difference in the brightness boat light visibility on the boats, out there.

Sometimes, the old bulbs are not very bright even when brand new, plus the green, red, or white cover gets faded over the years which also lowers the visibility.

Whether you drive a boat or pedal a bicycle, if you go out at night, having some good, strong, bright lights can definitely make the big difference.

If you do upgrade your navigation light bulbs to LEDs, be sure to use USCG certified bulbs. Many non-USCG bulbs will cause interference with a VHF radio, rendering it useless. I realize that most don't use VHF radios on the lake, so it may not matter to you, but it might be a big deal for the next owner of your boat that needs help some night and is out of cell range (perhaps somewhere other than Winni) and can't get their VHF to work.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Dave R

If you do upgrade your navigation light bulbs to LEDs, be sure to use USCG certified bulbs. Many non-USCG bulbs will cause interference with a VHF radio, rendering it useless. I realize that most don't use VHF radios on the lake, so it may not matter to you, but it might be a big deal for the next owner of your boat that needs help some night and is out of cell range (perhaps somewhere other than Winni) and can't get their VHF to work.

Great point Dave! The interference from LED bulbs can be significant!

I installed LED bulbs in my garage door openers and the range on my remote control was drastically affected. I basically had to be right against the garage door for it to work. It was the bulbs interference causing the problem!

Dan

[rick35]

Off topic slightly: I’ll be swapping out my garage door light bulbs this weekend. I thought it was strange that the range was so short compared to previous openers.

Back on topic: I replaced my bow light with led because the bulbs wear out when it’s inconvenient. Don’t have to hang out over the bow to figure out how to get the light apart or worry that I don’t have an extra bulb. And I have two stern lights in case one is lost over the side.

[8gv]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Great point Dave! The interference from LED bulbs can be significant!

I installed LED bulbs in my garage door openers and the range on my remote control was drastically affected. I basically had to be right against the garage door for it to work. It was the bulbs interference causing the problem!

Dan

Same here. The Led bulbs you want for your garage door opener have to have an FCC compliance statement on the box.

Back to the crash...

Is there a possibility that the bow of the boat seen in the video was cut to allow for the extrication of the deceased?

[salty dog]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Great point Dave! The interference from LED bulbs can be significant!

I installed LED bulbs in my garage door openers and the range on my remote control was drastically affected. I basically had to be right against the garage door for it to work. It was the bulbs interference causing the problem!

Dan

I just wanted to chime in. First, I'd like to state as all others have here; this was an absolutely devastating tragedy. Imagine a quiet uneventful evening suddenly transformed in an instant, changing lives forever. Secondly. I enlarged and tried to enhance the bow photo image. If I had no idea of the circumstances and saw this photo, I'd say someone took a Sawzall to the bow. (MHO). Third, quick reference to the LED changes; I recently replaced my garage door openers lights ( as Dan did) with LED's only to find the remotes were inoperable. I had to replace them with CFL's to work.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Phantom

in deference to those closer to the families ……… can we NOT debate the impact speculations in open forum?

I'm sure the families have the same questions the rest of us have. Unfortunately, this accident could be a great teachable moment for the rest of us if all these questions can be answered. Especially since these two gentlemen were so experienced. The fact that this could happen to them could serve the rest of us well, (if we can get the answers to all these questions). It's ok to ask all the questions, just be respectful.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Phantom

in deference to those closer to the families ……… can we NOT debate the impact speculations in open forum?

I applaud Capt. Dunleavy's intent ……….. I tried the same thing last Thursday but got a "thread lashing" from many & so the debate and speculation continued !

Capt. -- it is good to know that you keep an eye on this Forum to gauge Public opinion.

[iw8surf]

Nothing like the police getting online to a public forum and requesting to silence peoples free speech. Live free or die!

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by iw8surf

Nothing like the police getting online to a public forum and requesting to silence peoples free speech. Live free or die!

I took it as more of a request to be respectful of the victims and their families.

BTW, free speech has no application here on this forum. You are free to type anything you want. It's up to the moderator to determine what is allowed to be posted.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by iw8surf

Nothing like the police getting online to a public forum and requesting to silence peoples free speech. Live free or die!

I believe that you are missing his message. C’mon, lighten up!

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by iw8surf

Nothing like the police getting online to a public forum and requesting to silence peoples free speech. Live free or die!

The Captain was asking people to be respectful of the pain that the families are going through. He hoped that the speculation would go away for now. I am sure the correct information will be released when the time is right.

Read the entire thread and think about how you would feel about the idle speculation if it were one of your family members involved in this tragedy.

It is obvious, especially with his follow up post to clarify his intent, that his intentions were correct. The Captain should be commended for his post.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by iw8surf

Nothing like the police getting online to a public forum and requesting to silence peoples free speech. Live free or die!

I think this is out of line. It is certainly inconsistent with the general intent of Capt. Dunleavy's posts. I have had many interactions with Capt. Dunleavy as well as Director Barrett before him over many years. They, and their officers and staff have great compassion and empathy for others. They are professionals and you don't go far in their profession without compassion and empathy. Thank you, Captain.

[BoatHouse]

Originally Posted by iw8surf

Nothing like the police getting online to a public forum and requesting to silence peoples free speech. Live free or die!

Completely disagree with your message. My take is they are looking for people to be respectful of the families and do not speculate on something we have no facts or basis. Think from the families perspective

[garysanfran]

Doesn't mean there can't be consequences for what you say...Such as saying things in bad taste when proper decorum dictates speech moderation.

[Wifi-1]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Doesn't mean there can't be consequences for what you say...Such as saying things in bad taste when proper decorum dictates speech moderation.

One would think, but I don't see that happening around here much, consequences that is...

[skprbob]

All of our cherished freedoms come with the responsibility to use it wisely and I observe that freedom of speech is perhaps the most abused.

We also need to remember Sherlock Holmes' First Rule: "It is a capital error to theorize in advance of the facts."