Curious About Reported COVID-18 Numbers

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

This doctor is NOT in agreement with your position. His position is that lockdown for a whole year would be catastrophic. I think we all agree with that. Here is another quote from the same article. "We either save lives by going on total lockdown or we go back to business as usual and sacrifice the lives of those most at risk."

I don't think I've actually stated my position; but you'll find me in favor of "herd immunity". National recovery starts with an 80% exposure, and that begins with the children.

What Massachusetts is doing is the exact opposite of what is needed! Did US media Panic drive their reaction?

Put K-12 back in school--now. The reason? They're that one third of the population that needs immunity by acquiring the disease. By far, they're also most likely to survive the COVID-19 flu. Remember the "German Measles" parties?

The workforce is composed of the people who drive this necessary economy and will need to shoulder this flu, just as they did in annual flus of the past.

The most endangered are those 65 and older; worse, if they have typical "co-morbidities".

They're the people who must stay in, must wash hands, and must not socialize.

Yesterday, I broke my isolation: Traffic was surprisingly busy. With only one exception, everyone was wearing masks, including all employees.

While not the best solution, I'd found a painters mask, glued a new elastic to it, and "looked the part". Pharmacies are out of antiseptics and masks. Groceries still stock no paper products.

Thinking about it later, replacement elastics could be cut from clothing to keep "outdated" masks in use.

In accord with the Florida governor's direction, a sign was posted at the grocery store saying, no one will check out without proof of residency. That, I noticed, had nobody to enforce it. This isn't the "disciplined" Japan or Germany, so they're not asking for "your papers" yet.

The formerly acceptable yellow hurricane-return window-stickers, needed to enter the county after Hurricane Irma, were discovered to be mostly forged!

New York, which "cooked their books", should wait, but expect communities to open up one-by-one. Texas and Louisiana have already started.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

I don't think I've actually stated my position; but you'll find me in favor of "herd immunity".

This of course is exactly the opposite of what every expert recommends--the premise of herd immunity is that we STEEPEN the curve. I'm pretty sure Boris Johnson also thought this was a good idea...

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by ApS

I don't think I've actually stated my position; but you'll find me in favor of "herd immunity".


In accord with the Florida governor's direction, a sign was posted at the grocery store saying, no one will check out without proof of residency. That, I noticed, had nobody to enforce it. This isn't the "disciplined" Japan or Germany, so they're not asking for "your papers" yet.

Sweden is going with the “herd immunity” option. Their death rate is 9%, globally it’s 6%, and FL and NH are 2.5% and 2%, respectively. Who’s doing it right here?

Please provide the number of the executive order that DeSantis allegedly signed with regards to proof of residency. I’ve been unable to find it.


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[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Sweden is going with the “herd immunity” option. Their death rate is 9%, globally it’s 6%, and FL and NH are 2.5% and 2%, respectively. Who’s doing it right here?

Please provide the number of the executive order that DeSantis allegedly signed with regards to proof of residency. I’ve been unable to find it.


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We have zero (0) clue about infection rates in any country. Trying to figure out percentages of anything when a minuscule sample has been tested is meaningless. We won't know who was "right" for years.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

We have zero (0) clue about infection rates in any country. Trying to figure out percentages of anything when a minuscule sample has been tested is meaningless. We won't know who was "right" for years.

Unfortunately, I think the testing sample will always be small in most places.


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[ApS]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Sweden is going with the “herd immunity” option. Their death rate is 9%, globally it’s 6%, and FL and NH are 2.5% and 2%, respectively. Who’s doing it right here?

Sweden never stopped their children from attending school. Denmark did, and their children start next week.

So, I guess we'll find out; that is, depending on how they've recorded their stats.

Sweden takes exceptional care of their seniors, with "welfare-checking" a frequent and automatic function; oftentimes, cared-for in individual home units.

"Closed Swedish cities", as Malmö is becoming, will skew results.

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Please provide the number of the executive order that DeSantis allegedly signed with regards to proof of residency. I’ve been unable to find it.

I won't be back at that sign for awhile, but maybe have located something helpful:

Executive Order 20-91 (1).pdf

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by ApS

I won't be back at that sign for awhile, but maybe have located something helpful:

Executive Order 20-91 (1).pdf

Nothing in there about requiring IDs. Try fact checking before you post this type of stuff. Or take a picture as proof of what you saw, because, as a result of your posting history, I think you made it up.


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[ApS]

Newbiesaukee—
Ignoring that the Ronpaul institute is not exactly nonpartisan, the quote itself from Dr. Pablos-Mendez seems perfectly reasonable. The problem is that the serology tests, let alone the PCR tests for the virus, are not yet widely enough used to be able to get valid data to reach any realistic decisions about when to open up the economy.

Ron Paul is equally objectionable to left or right.
Emirates Airlines seems to have useful serology. Will Emirates Airlines be issuing "Immunity Passes" to play doubles-tennis in Michigan?

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Nothing in there about requiring IDs. Try fact checking before you post this type of stuff. Or take a picture as proof of what you saw, because, as a result of your posting history, I think you made it up.

Actually, an ID showing residency is required to enter this County. Familiar, prominent (but fraudulent) IDs were uncovered, and you can slip-by Deputies by using a boat.

So...I go by today, and the paper sign I saw yesterday is gone, and a plastic sign—posted more prominently—has a shorter message, consistent with even Michigan's restrictive regulations:

[Flylady]

Originally Posted by ApS

I don't think I've actually stated my position; but you'll find me in favor of "herd immunity". National recovery starts with an 80% exposure, and that begins with the children.

What Massachusetts is doing is the exact opposite of what is needed! Did US media Panic drive their reaction?

Put K-12 back in school--now. The reason? They're that one third of the population that needs immunity by acquiring the disease. By far, they're also most likely to survive the COVID-19 flu. Remember the "German Measles" parties?

The workforce is composed of the people who drive this necessary economy and will need to shoulder this flu, just as they did in annual flus of the past.

The most endangered are those 65 and older; worse, if they have typical "co-morbidities".

They're the people who must stay in, must wash hands, and must not socialize.

Yesterday, I broke my isolation: Traffic was surprisingly busy. With only one exception, everyone was wearing masks, including all employees.

While not the best solution, I'd found a painters mask, glued a new elastic to it, and "looked the part". Pharmacies are out of antiseptics and masks. Groceries still stock no paper products.

Thinking about it later, replacement elastics could be cut from clothing to keep "outdated" masks in use.

In accord with the Florida governor's direction, a sign was posted at the grocery store saying, no one will check out without proof of residency. That, I noticed, had nobody to enforce it. This isn't the "disciplined" Japan or Germany, so they're not asking for "your papers" yet.

The formerly acceptable yellow hurricane-return window-stickers, needed to enter the county after Hurricane Irma, were discovered to be mostly forged!

New York, which "cooked their books", should wait, but expect communities to open up one-by-one. Texas and Louisiana have already started.

So your assumption that children get immunity because they are young and less likely to die from it I guess also includes that the same children bring it home to their parents and or grandparents? Unfortunately too many adults in this country including FL. have one or more underlying conditions that put them at higher risk. Thus why the herd immunity concept would never work in the U.S.

[Mr. V]

Think of the pandemic as placing the USA onto a "wartime footing," where decisions are made to help ensure its citizens' survival above all else.

Yeah, our current response to the virus has temporarily hurt the economy but it is saving a heck of a lot of lives, lives whose value I believe eclipses 401-k growth.

We need to be selfless, not selfish, in these difficult times.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Flylady

So your assumption that children get immunity because they are young and less likely to die from it I guess also includes that the same children bring it home to their parents and or grandparents? Unfortunately too many adults in this country including FL. have one or more underlying conditions that put them at higher risk. Thus why the herd immunity concept would never work in the U.S.

Actually a lot of kids these days are just as unhealthy - obesity and vaping are identified as possible significant risk factors. Both are widespread amongst the youth of this country.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Actually a lot of kids these days are just as unhealthy - obesity and vaping are identified as possible significant risk factors. Both are widespread amongst the youth of this country.

You forgot video games....

Dan