Excessively Running Dock Circulators

Eagle54 · 11-04-2020, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SAB1

I dont think this correct. The only permitting I know of is with the town they are used in. There is a permit for the town and the fee is fifty cents per aquatherm unit.

As an update, I pursued this with DES and they directed me to the NH Dept of Safety. The towns issue permits, but the Dept of Safety, Marine Patrol division is responsible for addressing issues like this as a safety issue when someone's circulator interferes with a property owners egress/ingress to the lake. I received a quick and helpful response from the Marine Patrol, who are going to address this with the owner.

SAB1 · 11-05-2020, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle54

As an update, I pursued this with DES and they directed me to the NH Dept of Safety. The towns issue permits, but the Dept of Safety, Marine Patrol division is responsible for addressing issues like this as a safety issue when someone's circulator interferes with a property owners egress/ingress to the lake. I received a quick and helpful response from the Marine Patrol, who are going to address this with the owner.

Correct. I’ve also spoken with Marine Patrol. Very helpful folks. The issue for us is do we want a seemingly good neighbor or do we want rough waters ahead....

fatlazyless · 11-05-2020, 05:45 AM

The very last line in the famous Robert Frost poem titled "Mending Wall' -1914, goes "Good fences make good neighbors."

So, extending a fence out across the shoreline and onto the lake open water could quiet this situation.

Some very smart fence maker needs to create a "one-way fence" so's a waterfront homey can clearly see outward, straight through this fence, while it blocks the incoming view of that neighbor. ....so we can see out the big view, and they cannot see in ...

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Onshore · 11-05-2020, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

So, extending a fence out across the shoreline and onto the lake open water could quiet this situation.

If by quiet the situation you mean prompt someone to file a complaint with NHDES about a new illegal fence extending into public waters, then yes that should work.

MAXUM · 11-05-2020, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SAB1

Correct. I’ve also spoken with Marine Patrol. Very helpful folks. The issue for us is do we want a seemingly good neighbor or do we want rough waters ahead....

Usually LE is pretty discreet when it comes to this sort of thing and not dropping the names of who brought it to their attention unless some sort of complaint has to be filed in writing. I'm sure that annually the MP goes around and "checks up" on permitted circulators to ensure they are abiding by the law. Wink wink.... right? They actually SHOULD do this as these ice eaters are over used by many.

Eagle54 · 11-05-2020, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SAB1

Correct. I’ve also spoken with Marine Patrol. Very helpful folks. The issue for us is do we want a seemingly good neighbor or do we want rough waters ahead....

I would prefer good neighbors, but when they've done this for several years causing damage to our dock and preventing us from accessing the lake; and have ignored all requests to do something about it, including ignoring my offer to adjust their circulator for them when they are not here, then they have removed themselves from the 'good neighbor' category.

fatlazyless · 11-09-2020, 07:08 AM

Typically here on Lake Winnipesaukee, a permanent dock gets ice protected by a single 1/2 or 3/4-hp motorized propeller that agitates the water, making small to medium ripples or waves, enough to keep the water around the dock from freezing up.

There is another way to get it done. Instead of using a single 1/2 or 3/4-hp motorized propeller, a series of 2-3-4 smaller 1/6-hp or 1/4-hp utility pumps with impellers can be hung from below the dock close to each set of vertical support legs. This changes the dynamics of the water agitation, keeps it centered under the dock, and keeps it from encroaching on the neighbor's lake ice.

Is best to get the heavy 1/6-hp pump sold at Lowe's because it has a heavy cast iron design, sucks up the water from down below, shoots it straight up, and has a handle on top for easy line attachment. Price; about $80-1/6-hp utility pump at Lowe's. The relative heavy weight of the cast iron helps a lot because it keeps the pump in one spot without moving around, as it is suspended by a line from under the dock. And, this 1/6-hp pump can run for months and months, cycling on and off depending on the air temperature/time setting.

Formula260SS · 11-09-2020, 08:56 AM

Took a lap around the Island yesterday - Glorious Day I have to say - I saw at least half a dozen bubblers already running which tells me they're not on t-stats . That's gotta be expensive on the electric bill, you would think it'd be cheaper to contract someone to turn them on in early December and off early April.

Kamper · 11-09-2020, 09:13 AM

Don't worry too much about the 'good neighbors' nonsense. Open water can be a hazard to the general public, lives as well as property.

LE does not need a 'complainant' to file charges when there is something they can see for themselves from a public place. As the entire lake is public domain, all that is necessary is for someone to bring to their attention, what they have not yet seen themselves.

11-05-2020, 05:45 AM	#3
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,738 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	The very last line in the famous Robert Frost poem titled "Mending Wall' -1914, goes "Good fences make good neighbors." So, extending a fence out across the shoreline and onto the lake open water could quiet this situation. Some very smart fence maker needs to create a "one-way fence" so's a waterfront homey can clearly see outward, straight through this fence, while it blocks the incoming view of that neighbor. ....so we can see out the big view, and they cannot see in ... ! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

11-09-2020, 07:08 AM	#7
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,738 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,007 Times in 735 Posts	...... 3 small 1/6-hp pumps vs one large 1/2 or 3/4-hp motor propeller? Typically here on Lake Winnipesaukee, a permanent dock gets ice protected by a single 1/2 or 3/4-hp motorized propeller that agitates the water, making small to medium ripples or waves, enough to keep the water around the dock from freezing up. There is another way to get it done. Instead of using a single 1/2 or 3/4-hp motorized propeller, a series of 2-3-4 smaller 1/6-hp or 1/4-hp utility pumps with impellers can be hung from below the dock close to each set of vertical support legs. This changes the dynamics of the water agitation, keeps it centered under the dock, and keeps it from encroaching on the neighbor's lake ice. Is best to get the heavy 1/6-hp pump sold at Lowe's because it has a heavy cast iron design, sucks up the water from down below, shoots it straight up, and has a handle on top for easy line attachment. Price; about $80-1/6-hp utility pump at Lowe's. The relative heavy weight of the cast iron helps a lot because it keeps the pump in one spot without moving around, as it is suspended by a line from under the dock. And, this 1/6-hp pump can run for months and months, cycling on and off depending on the air temperature/time setting. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

11-09-2020, 08:56 AM	#8
Formula260SS Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NH Posts: 384 Thanks: 11 Thanked 76 Times in 51 Posts	Bubblers already running Took a lap around the Island yesterday - Glorious Day I have to say - I saw at least half a dozen bubblers already running which tells me they're not on t-stats . That's gotta be expensive on the electric bill, you would think it'd be cheaper to contract someone to turn them on in early December and off early April.

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11-09-2020, 09:13 AM	#9
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,302 Thanks: 67 Thanked 171 Times in 127 Posts	Don't worry too much about the 'good neighbors' nonsense. Open water can be a hazard to the general public, lives as well as property. LE does not need a 'complainant' to file charges when there is something they can see for themselves from a public place. As the entire lake is public domain, all that is necessary is for someone to bring to their attention, what they have not yet seen themselves.