NH adult seat belt law, supported by NH State Police

Descant · 02-27-2023, 06:25 PM

There seem to be some flaws in how comparisons are made, and how details are categorized. Bottom line would be a comparison with other states that have mandatory seat belt laws and similar demographics. Driving conditions e.g., snow, also play a part, so comparing NH to say, Alabama, doesn't work.

I thought state employees had restrictions on political lobbying, at least in uniform. Soon enough police will be lobbying to restrict gun ownership and register all guns and require permits to buy more than 10 rounds at a time.

fatlazyless · 02-28-2023, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Descant

I thought state employees had restrictions on political lobbying, at least in uniform. Soon enough police will be lobbying to restrict gun ownership and register all guns and require permits to buy more than 10 rounds at a time.

In front of the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution is the first amendment that includes freedom of speech and freedom of the press .....

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TheProfessor · 03-01-2023, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

In front of the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution is the first amendment that includes freedom of speech and freedom of the press .....

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New Hampshire House of Representatives.
Republican representative Karel Crawford is on record as in favor of mandatory state law for seat belt usage for all in New Hampshire.

Not sure what the state senator in Belknap/Carroll County stand.

ApS · 03-03-2023, 07:54 AM

Back in the 1960s, Chevron gas stations offered everyone an installed seatbelt for $5.

No diagonal shoulder strap back then. (Only one color, and that was silver). Stamped on the underside was Davis Aircraft Supplies.

Meanwhile, back in Europe, debates were raging over installing a single lap belt versus a single shoulder belt.

Owner manuals from this period showed how to buckle up.

My next car was subjected to high-performance track speeds, so I got a Schroth 6-point seatbelt. (German-made, with two bolts for the two shoulder belts, two more bolts for the 3-inch lap belts, and two more bolts holding the 6-way connector to the floor in front). The front floor belts were to keep the driver from sliding out from under the other belts.

At a cost of nearly $300, I had to install it myself!

For the driver, arranging all the belts--while wriggling to snug them all down--took some time.

This growing aspect of safety spelled the end of "LeMans-starts" in auto racing. Most often, running across the track, jumping in your race car and starting to race, meant fastening seatbelts on the LeMans straight--where leaders often exceeded 200-MPH! The Le Mans start was prohibited in 1970. (With good cause).

Once tightly cinched-in, I realized I'd been using the steering wheel as a support in hard cornering, so the added ease of steering control was vastly improved.

Since steering control is the responsibility of the driver, the driver should always be positioned behind the wheel. This isn't always possible after getting hit at highway speeds. (Or after a "shunt", as the British call it).

fatlazyless · 03-03-2023, 08:58 AM

Subaru seat belt chime love .....

....; my 2014 Crosstrek has a loud and annoying seat belt chime that basically makes me click-it asap, pdq, just to get the loud chime to turn off ....... hmmm .....

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fatlazyless · 03-04-2023, 06:09 AM

Hey there, here's something interesting. Did you see the March 1 editorial opinion in the Union Leader titled: Seat belt Sununu: Is he for the mandate now?

It starts with "Since when has Gov. Chris Sununu been in favor of a mandatory seat belt law for New Hampshire adults? And if he isn't, why is he allowing a state office to testify for a bill to do just that?"

Apparently, one can see this U.L. editorial without a paid subscription.

Billy Bob · 03-04-2023, 03:57 PM

Only state in the country without front seat adult seat belt requirement. Not something to be proud about. It has nothing to do with freedom it’s all about being dumb .

John Mercier · 03-04-2023, 06:04 PM

I think Descant may have hit it on the head.
We may be seeing a situation where NH is looking to more federal money to shore up the DoT.

ApS · 03-04-2023, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Only state in the country without front seat adult seat belt requirement. Not something to be proud about. It has nothing to do with freedom it’s all about being dumb .

Didn't New Hampshire enact a law to buckle-up underaged passengers?

It appears (to me) that common-sense law would've increased adult/parent participation far more than the Bay State--which is next to the bottom of compliance--and gets less icy conditions.

John Mercier · 03-04-2023, 09:55 PM

I think we have a slightly lower under 18 percent of our population, and slighter higher 65 and older percent of our population.

Also, I believe that MA uses it as a secondary rather than primary. Not sure if that is the same for the other New England states.

I wear my seatbelt, but travel out of State so rarely, that I'm not fully aware of how each of our surrounding States operate.

fatlazyless · 03-05-2023, 08:19 AM

Hey there ....... here's a twitter accident waiting to happen, tweeting while driving or something ...... https://twitter.com/bamico54/status/1631986966450393092 ..... March 4, 6:56-am tweets " Why are there so many people on I-93? Don't they know its a snowstorm right now?

And, at 9:30-am the NH State Police ....... https://twitter.com/NH_StatePolice/s...573952/photo/2 shows a state police cruiser hit by same person on Rt 93 in Thornton, NH

camp guy · 03-05-2023, 10:24 AM

Just for a few laughs, go to Google, type in Cowboy After OSHA, and examine the picture.

LoveLakeLife · 03-05-2023, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Only state in the country without front seat adult seat belt requirement. Not something to be proud about. It has nothing to do with freedom it’s all about being dumb .

lol. Of course it’s about freedom.

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Descant · 03-06-2023, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Only state in the country without front seat adult seat belt requirement. Not something to be proud about. It has nothing to do with freedom it’s all about being dumb .

You can't pass laws that will make people smarter. When seat belt bills come up there is usually testimony that voluntary compliance in NH is on a par with mandatory compliance in other states. NH is unique in many ways and I'm happy for that.

Billy Bob · 03-04-2023, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ApS

Didn't New Hampshire enact a law to buckle up kids under the age of 18?

It appears (to me) that common-sense law would've increased adult/parent participation far more than its neighboring Bay State. (Which is at the bottom of compliance).

It is not just the dreaded Bay State it's EVERY other state in the country!
New Hampshire, get with the program, buckle up !

John Mercier · 02-28-2023, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant

There seem to be some flaws in how comparisons are made, and how details are categorized. Bottom line would be a comparison with other states that have mandatory seat belt laws and similar demographics. Driving conditions e.g., snow, also play a part, so comparing NH to say, Alabama, doesn't work.

I thought state employees had restrictions on political lobbying, at least in uniform. Soon enough police will be lobbying to restrict gun ownership and register all guns and require permits to buy more than 10 rounds at a time.

Could it be that they were the State agency most associated with having to enforce the law, so their opinion was sought?
I know that Major Acerno and Chief Gamache had to testify on issues around snowmobile and OHRV usage.

I see this issue come up now and again... as anything can be entered every season and be heard with our system of governance... but it never seems to really grab hold. The State would like the money, but isn't willing to create the hassle. I think the last time it was for like $1.5 M federal.

Descant · 02-28-2023, 03:34 PM

Major Acerno and Chief Gmache, like Dave Barrett and Capt. Dunleavy were always careful to testify as to facts and history, but rarely lobbied for a particular position, especially if it approached being political. I suggest that the opening of "State Police support" may not be entirely accurate, as it should be the union or the Commissioner of Safety (or deputy). At that level testimony in any particu;lar direction woulkd follow the guidance of the Governor.

John Mercier · 02-28-2023, 08:40 PM

On the unrefunded gas tax...
Acerno came to me to get half of it transferred from DoT to F&G, and Gamache was unhappy, until I pinned Acerno down on the reciprocity agreement with VT that only covered OHRV... but caused funding losses on the BoT-side of the equation.

I think the two were just better at looking non-political than would be guessed.

03-03-2023, 07:54 AM	#4
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,953 Thanks: 2,229 Thanked 782 Times in 558 Posts	I'm Sold On "Mandatory", Back in the 1960s, Chevron gas stations offered everyone an installed seatbelt for $5. No diagonal shoulder strap back then. (Only one color, and that was silver). Stamped on the underside was *Davis Aircraft Supplies. Meanwhile, back in Europe, debates were raging over installing a single lap belt versus a single shoulder belt. Owner manuals from this period showed how to buckle up. My next car was subjected to high-performance track speeds, so I got a Schroth* 6-point seatbelt. (German-made, with two bolts for the two shoulder belts, two more bolts for the 3-inch lap belts, and two more bolts holding the 6-way connector to the floor in front). The front floor belts were to keep the driver from sliding out from under the other belts. At a cost of nearly $300, I had to install it myself! For the driver, arranging all the belts--while wriggling to snug them all down--took some time. This growing aspect of safety spelled the end of "LeMans-starts" in auto racing. Most often, running across the track, jumping in your race car and starting to race, meant fastening seatbelts on the LeMans straight--where leaders often exceeded 200-MPH! The Le Mans start was prohibited in 1970. (With good cause). Once tightly cinched-in, I realized I'd been using the steering wheel as a support in hard cornering, so the added ease of steering control was vastly improved. Since steering control is the responsibility of the driver, the driver should always be positioned behind the wheel. This isn't always possible after getting hit at highway speeds. (Or after a "shunt", as the British call it).

03-03-2023, 08:58 AM	#5
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,810 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 301 Thanked 1,027 Times in 747 Posts	Subaru love Subaru seat belt chime love ..... ....; my 2014 Crosstrek has a loud and annoying seat belt chime that basically makes me click-it asap, pdq, just to get the loud chime to turn off ....... hmmm ..... .

03-04-2023, 03:57 PM	#7
Billy Bob Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tiera Verdi Fl & Moultonborough Posts: 320 Thanks: 128 Thanked 167 Times in 101 Posts	Only state in the country Only state in the country without front seat adult seat belt requirement. Not something to be proud about. It has nothing to do with freedom it’s all about being dumb .

03-04-2023, 09:55 PM	#10
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,488 Thanks: 3 Thanked 614 Times in 507 Posts	I think we have a slightly lower under 18 percent of our population, and slighter higher 65 and older percent of our population. Also, I believe that MA uses it as a secondary rather than primary. Not sure if that is the same for the other New England states. I wear my seatbelt, but travel out of State so rarely, that I'm not fully aware of how each of our surrounding States operate. Last edited by John Mercier; 03-05-2023 at 06:06 PM.

03-05-2023, 10:24 AM	#12
camp guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: formerly Winter Harbor, still Wolfeboro Posts: 1,193 Thanks: 303 Thanked 529 Times in 296 Posts	Seat Belt Law Just for a few laughs, go to Google, type in Cowboy After OSHA, and examine the picture.

02-27-2023, 06:25 PM	#1
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,425 Thanks: 1,368 Thanked 1,641 Times in 1,071 Posts	There seem to be some flaws in how comparisons are made, and how details are categorized. Bottom line would be a comparison with other states that have mandatory seat belt laws and similar demographics. Driving conditions e.g., snow, also play a part, so comparing NH to say, Alabama, doesn't work. I thought state employees had restrictions on political lobbying, at least in uniform. Soon enough police will be lobbying to restrict gun ownership and register all guns and require permits to buy more than 10 rounds at a time.

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03-04-2023, 06:09 AM	#6
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,810 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 301 Thanked 1,027 Times in 747 Posts	Hey there, here's something interesting. Did you see the March 1 editorial opinion in the Union Leader titled: Seat belt Sununu: Is he for the mandate now? It starts with "Since when has Gov. Chris Sununu been in favor of a mandatory seat belt law for New Hampshire adults? And if he isn't, why is he allowing a state office to testify for a bill to do just that?" Apparently, one can see this U.L. editorial without a paid subscription.

03-04-2023, 06:04 PM	#8
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,488 Thanks: 3 Thanked 614 Times in 507 Posts	I think Descant may have hit it on the head. We may be seeing a situation where NH is looking to more federal money to shore up the DoT.

03-05-2023, 08:19 AM	#11
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,810 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 301 Thanked 1,027 Times in 747 Posts	Hey there ....... here's a twitter accident waiting to happen, tweeting while driving or something ...... https://twitter.com/bamico54/status/1631986966450393092 ..... March 4, 6:56-am tweets " Why are there so many people on I-93? Don't they know its a snowstorm right now? And, at 9:30-am the NH State Police ....... https://twitter.com/NH_StatePolice/s...573952/photo/2 shows a state police cruiser hit by same person on Rt 93 in Thornton, NH

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02-28-2023, 03:34 PM	#17
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,425 Thanks: 1,368 Thanked 1,641 Times in 1,071 Posts	Major Acerno and Chief Gmache, like Dave Barrett and Capt. Dunleavy were always careful to testify as to facts and history, but rarely lobbied for a particular position, especially if it approached being political. I suggest that the opening of "State Police support" may not be entirely accurate, as it should be the union or the Commissioner of Safety (or deputy). At that level testimony in any particu;lar direction woulkd follow the guidance of the Governor.

02-28-2023, 08:40 PM	#18
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,488 Thanks: 3 Thanked 614 Times in 507 Posts	On the unrefunded gas tax... Acerno came to me to get half of it transferred from DoT to F&G, and Gamache was unhappy, until I pinned Acerno down on the reciprocity agreement with VT that only covered OHRV... but caused funding losses on the BoT-side of the equation. I think the two were just better at looking non-political than would be guessed.