Performance Boats

MGWillia · 09-30-2014, 09:40 AM

I don't have a dog in this fight... I'm not back there YET. But I do enjoy reading along. I'm not a huge fan of noise, but it is what it is. And though, in my youth, I had more "boating" events in my life, I am not currently a boat owner. But I have seen a similar trend to another life experience that bugs me personally. Motorcycles. Know, I have NO problem with someone owning, riding, enjoying the fruits of their labors in the form of personal property. The thing that "annoys" me is when they sit and rev. I noticed that was a "thing" for some of the posters here, inasmuch as some "loud" boaters sit at idle at the docks. Same with drivers who feel they must share their car radio with the rest of us. A boat, screaming along at high speed, showing its technological prowess, is awe inspiring. Watching someone cruise away down the road on a big bike speaks to freedom. Ride on... But when you stop, remember the rest of us, just might not enjoy your joy as much as you do.... I believe I would second the poster who asked that they kill the engine as soon as practical after docking. Like I said, no way as informed as the rest of you on the boat side of things. But at some point, while enjoying our personal freedoms, I think it is reasonable to think of others and their enjoyment. (guess I should skip bike week...

) Thanks for letting me play along.

jrc · 09-30-2014, 10:05 AM

Engine noise is just one of those things that people won't agree on. For some nothing is loud enough and for some nothing is quiet enough. We passed laws to resolve these conflicts and enforce a compromise. If you think the limits are wrong, talk to your local representative. NH has a huge legislature, you should be able to bend your reps ear.

If you have a limit some one has to enforce it, you can't blame the MP for enforcing the law.

Of course now someone invented the crime of overpowering a whistle, what's next?

BroadHopper · 09-30-2014, 10:13 AM

Somehow Lake Winnipesaukee has more rules and regulations than any other lake that I can think of, yet we have more 'uncivilized' skippers than any other body of water that I have been on. Is there a correlation or is it a coincidence?

tis · 09-30-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MGWillia

I don't have a dog in this fight... I'm not back there YET. But I do enjoy reading along. I'm not a huge fan of noise, but it is what it is. And though, in my youth, I had more "boating" events in my life, I am not currently a boat owner. But I have seen a similar trend to another life experience that bugs me personally. Motorcycles. Know, I have NO problem with someone owning, riding, enjoying the fruits of their labors in the form of personal property. The thing that "annoys" me is when they sit and rev. I noticed that was a "thing" for some of the posters here, inasmuch as some "loud" boaters sit at idle at the docks. Same with drivers who feel they must share their car radio with the rest of us. A boat, screaming along at high speed, showing its technological prowess, is awe inspiring. Watching someone cruise away down the road on a big bike speaks to freedom. Ride on... But when you stop, remember the rest of us, just might not enjoy your joy as much as you do.... I believe I would second the poster who asked that they kill the engine as soon as practical after docking. Like I said, no way as informed as the rest of you on the boat side of things. But at some point, while enjoying our personal freedoms, I think it is reasonable to think of others and their enjoyment. (guess I should skip bike week...

) Thanks for letting me play along.

You are exactly right. Good post!! Jet skiis can be very annoying when they go round and round and round and round in the same spot.

Webbsatwinni · 09-30-2014, 09:01 PM

Moved to boating issues???? Read my original post, no issues, it was the forum members that took it to issues.

upthesaukee · 09-30-2014, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Webbsatwinni

Moved to boating issues???? Read my original post, no issues, it was the forum members that took it to issues.

It could have been locked up...lesser of two evils. You are correct: the original subject was just an observation. Some later posts took it in a whole different direction.

Webbsatwinni · 10-01-2014, 09:35 AM

This really is just like being at the lake now, a few people ruin it for many. This is like being pulled over by MP for no good reason!

ishoot308 · 10-01-2014, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Webbsatwinni

This really is just like being at the lake now, a few people ruin it for many. This is like being pulled over by MP for no good reason!

Honestly, what difference does it make if the topic is put here or a couple lines up in the boating section...like people aren't going to read it??

This whole "General Issues / Controversial" section is really quite silly and does nothing to stop people from saying what they will. I wouldn't doubt if more people read whats here than whats posted in the "politically correct" section...

Dan

MGWillia · 10-01-2014, 09:56 AM

Sorry, new here. I thought it was ok to follow a line of discussion. I wasn't aware of the etiquette in regards to the original post. Again, my apologies for my part in the discussion.

Marty

Woodsy · 10-01-2014, 10:27 AM

Anytime the topic of performance Boats comes up here on Winni.com, the outcome is very contentious and usually results in the thread being moved.

IMHO, Ever since the speed limit was proposed, the lake has been a VERY divided place. Some people like APS & JDeere let their extreme dislike of performance boats color their posts. If you want a good read, check out some of the speed limit arguments on this forum... some of the videos & pictures APS posted and his spin on them are hilarious. There were an incredible amount of lies told about performance boats. There still are. They had an agenda, the speed limit got passed. It is what it is.

But not much has changed... thankfully!

Woodsy

Webbsatwinni · 10-01-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

Honestly, what difference does it make if the topic is put here or a couple lines up in the boating section...like people aren't going to read it??

This whole "General Issues / Controversial" section is really quite silly and does nothing to stop people from saying what they will. I wouldn't doubt if more people read whats here than whats posted in the "politically correct" section...

Dan

While I agree, its perception, anything performance is an issue? There are many people at the lake that enjoy these boats and its only an issue to the vocal few.
We were at Naswa Saturday and there was a 38 topgun there and people onshore and boating up, all stopped and stared at it, I do not think there was one person there that walked past without looking and commenting on how nice it was. So where is the issue?

So my issue with this being move to "issues" is that it wasn't an issue, it was a positive note that a few cranky people made an issue of.

Censorship to control perception.

gillygirl · 10-02-2014, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Webbsatwinni

While I agree, its perception, anything performance is an issue? There are many people at the lake that enjoy these boats and its only an issue to the vocal few.
We were at Naswa Saturday and there was a 38 topgun there and people onshore and boating up, all stopped and stared at it, I do not think there was one person there that walked past without looking and commenting on how nice it was. So where is the issue?

So my issue with this being move to "issues" is that it wasn't an issue, it was a positive note that a few cranky people made an issue of.

Censorship to control perception.

How are you being censored?

Webbsatwinni · 10-02-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gillygirl

How are you being censored?

By placing a simple boating comment into an issues thread, this was not an issue I had. This was made into an issue by others. There is a perception that anything performance is an issue, this change helps with that perception.

ApS · 10-02-2014, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Webbsatwinni

While I agree, its perception, anything performance is an issue? There are many people at the lake that enjoy these boats and its only an issue to the vocal few.

The vocal few can't dismiss the three tragedies that plague this boating "issue".

.

Tyler · 10-02-2014, 10:48 AM

The performance boats did not cause these tragedies, the drunk operators did.

codeman671 · 10-02-2014, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ApS

The vocal few can't dismiss the three tragedies that plague this boating "issue".

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It was the booze not the boats that caused the problems....And the ones that you were referring to were not high speed accidents.

Nice spin though

VitaBene · 10-02-2014, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

It was the booze not the boats that caused the problems....And the ones that you were referring to were not high speed accidents.

Nice spin though

Why let the facts get in the way of a good argument!

Rusty · 10-02-2014, 02:55 PM

This discussion about GFBL boats goes down the same path all the time. For the most part it seems to have the same players involved.

No one is posting anything different then what has already been said in many other threads.

Time to move on and enjoy what the Lake has to offer for all of us.

Webbsatwinni · 10-02-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

This discussion about GFBL boats goes down the same path all the time. For the most part it seems to have the same players involved.

No one is posting anything different then what has already been said in many other threads.

Time to move on and enjoy what the Lake has to offer for all of us.

It was a simple post that started to go down hill with the non performance crowd. Enjoying the lake was the theme of my post, I enjoy seeing it, it was a welcomed change for me, I posted it.

Chaselady · 10-01-2014, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Webbsatwinni

Moved to boating issues???? Read my original post, no issues, it was the forum members that took it to issues.

I agree. Nothing seems to stay on track on this forum. You try and say something nice ( and neutral) and before you know it there is someone lurking and waiting to jump in, turn the subject to the negative and high jack it to promote their own agenda.

tis · 10-01-2014, 12:06 PM

I think conversations stray on most forums. That doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is when people criticize (or worse) others.

Phantom · 10-01-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaselady

I agree. Nothing seems to stay on track on this forum. You try and say something nice ( and neutral) and before you know it there is someone lurking and waiting to jump in, turn the subject to the negative and high jack it to promote their own agenda.

Totally agree --- seems it is getting much more prevalent (Hijacked threads) than in the past

and by virtue of this post-- I just did too.

Donzi Minx · 10-01-2014, 03:06 PM

Just to add a bit of irony maybe the straying threads need OMERTA.

Phantom · 10-01-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Donzi Minx

Just to add a bit of irony maybe the straying threads need OMERTA.

Your Italian is showing

09-30-2014, 09:40 AM	#1
MGWillia Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Alton Bay! Posts: 165 Thanks: 116 Thanked 128 Times in 46 Posts	I don't have a dog in this fight... I'm not back there YET. But I do enjoy reading along. I'm not a huge fan of noise, but it is what it is. And though, in my youth, I had more "boating" events in my life, I am not currently a boat owner. But I have seen a similar trend to another life experience that bugs me personally. Motorcycles. Know, I have NO problem with someone owning, riding, enjoying the fruits of their labors in the form of personal property. The thing that "annoys" me is when they sit and rev. I noticed that was a "thing" for some of the posters here, inasmuch as some "loud" boaters sit at idle at the docks. Same with drivers who feel they must share their car radio with the rest of us. A boat, screaming along at high speed, showing its technological prowess, is awe inspiring. Watching someone cruise away down the road on a big bike speaks to freedom. Ride on... But when you stop, remember the rest of us, just might not enjoy your joy as much as you do.... I believe I would second the poster who asked that they kill the engine as soon as practical after docking. Like I said, no way as informed as the rest of you on the boat side of things. But at some point, while enjoying our personal freedoms, I think it is reasonable to think of others and their enjoyment. (guess I should skip bike week...) Thanks for letting me play along.

09-30-2014, 10:13 AM	#3
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,576 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 1,103 Times in 794 Posts	Point to Ponder. Somehow Lake Winnipesaukee has more rules and regulations than any other lake that I can think of, yet we have more 'uncivilized' skippers than any other body of water that I have been on. Is there a correlation or is it a coincidence? __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

10-01-2014, 09:56 AM	#9
MGWillia Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Alton Bay! Posts: 165 Thanks: 116 Thanked 128 Times in 46 Posts	My Apologies... Sorry, new here. I thought it was ok to follow a line of discussion. I wasn't aware of the etiquette in regards to the original post. Again, my apologies for my part in the discussion. Marty

10-01-2014, 10:27 AM	#10
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,966 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	Contentious... Anytime the topic of performance Boats comes up here on Winni.com, the outcome is very contentious and usually results in the thread being moved. IMHO, Ever since the speed limit was proposed, the lake has been a VERY divided place. Some people like APS & JDeere let their extreme dislike of performance boats color their posts. If you want a good read, check out some of the speed limit arguments on this forum... some of the videos & pictures APS posted and his spin on them are hilarious. There were an incredible amount of lies told about performance boats. There still are. They had an agenda, the speed limit got passed. It is what it is. But not much has changed... thankfully! Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

10-02-2014, 02:55 PM	#18
Rusty Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,028 Thanks: 603 Thanked 687 Times in 425 Posts	This discussion about GFBL boats goes down the same path all the time. For the most part it seems to have the same players involved. No one is posting anything different then what has already been said in many other threads. Time to move on and enjoy what the Lake has to offer for all of us. __________________ It's never crowded along the extra mile.

09-30-2014, 10:05 AM	#2
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Engine noise is just one of those things that people won't agree on. For some nothing is loud enough and for some nothing is quiet enough. We passed laws to resolve these conflicts and enforce a compromise. If you think the limits are wrong, talk to your local representative. NH has a huge legislature, you should be able to bend your reps ear. If you have a limit some one has to enforce it, you can't blame the MP for enforcing the law. Of course now someone invented the crime of overpowering a whistle, what's next?

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09-30-2014, 09:01 PM	#5
Webbsatwinni Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lebanon Ct and Rattlesnake Island Since 2007 Posts: 610 Thanks: 180 Thanked 137 Times in 72 Posts	Moved to boating issues???? Read my original post, no issues, it was the forum members that took it to issues.

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10-01-2014, 09:35 AM	#7
Webbsatwinni Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lebanon Ct and Rattlesnake Island Since 2007 Posts: 610 Thanks: 180 Thanked 137 Times in 72 Posts	This really is just like being at the lake now, a few people ruin it for many. This is like being pulled over by MP for no good reason!

10-02-2014, 10:48 AM	#15
Tyler Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 123 Thanks: 19 Thanked 9 Times in 4 Posts	The performance boats did not cause these tragedies, the drunk operators did.

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10-01-2014, 03:06 PM	#23
Donzi Minx Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melrose, Mass. Posts: 191 Thanks: 0 Thanked 183 Times in 52 Posts	Performance Boats / Noise Just to add a bit of irony maybe the straying threads need OMERTA.